AMOF, I was witness as many other's to Paul Duffy's effort here; and that portions of the M222 information is available through internet archive, but not all. None of that, however is the point. The point is that we haven't a project centralized location for information, data, etc. that may be accessed by the many and maintained in such a manner that in the eventuality that a major contributor drops out or passes on that it may continue -- the torch for that person may be passed to another with out a loss of the information etc. Whether or not it is yahoo groups isn't the point. That offer had been extended quite some time ago...it is an option. There are other options. Those options I was in hopes of would be the topic of discussion along with some effort to organize rather than a discussion of why not this or that or dismiss the discussion but the fact that much of it really isn't gone because a person made certain or that portions were picked up by internet archive. I have nothing against private endeavors and certainly those of us who devote hundreds of thousands of hours of our volunteer time and make that information available to others do so because we are interested. Wouldn't it be nice, however to have that information also in one place? It takes very little time to up-load a file off a computer into a structured filing system available to any who want to view Iain's trees, the data sets that I keep, David Wilson keeps, David MacLennan keeps, and what others keep -- key historical efforts such as what Alan Milliken keeps along with the stuff than John kept; analyses using different models of assessment for comparison; frequency charts, sub-clade assessments, lineage assessments, analyses, etc? That is the point. I could easily up-load tons of stuff to the L21 files without discussing any of it and informing the list that it is there.... but the fact remains that R-M222 as a project hasn't a project place -- we've a forum that is of value to us; we've project pages under the FTDNA umbrella; and we've several individual endeavors run and maintained privately by individuals that are of value to the project but are NOT the project -- they are individual endeavors with certain information on loan so to speak. A group effort has advantages that individual efforts do not address...this is the point to consider -- Susan On 5/7/2014 7:42 AM, Paul Ó Duḃṫaiġ wrote: > I should note that other then been an alumni of NUIG I have no connection > with it since I graduated in 2003. In this case the website is running out > of my public_html directory on the Computer Societies server where I still > have a shell account. > > -Paul > (DF41+) > > > On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Gerry Hoy <gerry.hoy@ringofgullion.com>wrote: > >> John's website was copied to the NUI Galway server last July. I have >> archived John's data and I know that others have too. >> >> The same disadvantages concerning a death apply to Yahoo Groups as well as >> a Website. If the owner dies and no one knows the login details in either >> case, the site becomes unusable eventually. If the details are known to a >> group of people, the site goes on. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >> dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Hedeen >> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 2:46 AM >> To: dna-r1b1c7 >> Subject: [R-M222] Catching up M222 >> >> John's web-site is now down. The plethora of M222 specific information >> contained on John's site is now unavailable. As insensitive as this may >> sound, private web-sites are wonderful until they are gone because the >> owner dies and renewal not possible because of their passing. It would be >> of benefit to keep important files, analyses, observations, among other >> things in a centralized location such as what L21 offers through yahoo >> groups. Survival and availability of the information is more likely to >> remain as the torch is passed within a group. It isn't such a big thing to >> join for access if one wants to access it. As a project, we could accept >> Mike's offer to help us set up a M222 specific place, and I suggest that it >> would benefit us to do so...we don't need to move the forum...the files >> section could be tailored to suit the needs of the project within the >> structure provided; and certain information should continue to be filed in >> L21 files as what is happening now even if for some stuff a >> duplication...so that it is available to the researchers integrating it >> within the parent sub-clade. >> >> I hope there is further discussion of this. Well I've now over 231 emails >> to attend to...likely will not get through them tonight. Thank you to those >> who have sent their testing information to me; please continue to do so. >> There are many I need to respond to privately...I will do so within the >> next several days. Susan >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Susan, "A group effort has advantages that individual efforts do not address...this is the point to consider -- Susan" This M222 project depends upon being a group effort! For instance, my 111 STR results, my Deep Clade SNP results and my Big Y SNP results are about worthless to me as an individual. But if those results are then combined with the results of many other individuals then a cumulative comparison of all of those results could then help to complete the BIG PICTURE, as to who we each are and where we come from. Your concern, however, has to do with the temporary nature of the Internet, that an Internet website could be here today but gone tomorrow, no matter where on the Internet we could go. And that leads to a consideration of occasional, hard-copy, printed publications such as an occasional magazine or other such publication, the advantage there being that such a publication might endure and last for perhaps hundreds of years. But that is a consideration which this group has not yet addressed. Now, where is that pot o' gold that I have heard so much about? :-D Doug On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Susan Hedeen < chantillycarpets@earthlink.net> wrote: > AMOF, I was witness as many other's to Paul Duffy's effort here; and > that portions of the M222 information is available through internet > archive, but not all. None of that, however is the point. > > The point is that we haven't a project centralized location for > information, data, etc. that may be accessed by the many and maintained > in such a manner that in the eventuality that a major contributor drops > out or passes on that it may continue -- the torch for that person may > be passed to another with out a loss of the information etc. Whether or > not it is yahoo groups isn't the point. > > That offer had been extended quite some time ago...it is an option. > There are other options. Those options I was in hopes of would be the > topic of discussion along with some effort to organize rather than a > discussion of why not this or that or dismiss the discussion but the > fact that much of it really isn't gone because a person made certain or > that portions were picked up by internet archive. > > I have nothing against private endeavors and certainly those of us who > devote hundreds of thousands of hours of our volunteer time and make > that information available to others do so because we are interested. > > Wouldn't it be nice, however to have that information also in one place? > It takes very little time to up-load a file off a computer into a > structured filing system available to any who want to view Iain's trees, > the data sets that I keep, David Wilson keeps, David MacLennan keeps, > and what others keep -- key historical efforts such as what Alan > Milliken keeps along with the stuff than John kept; analyses using > different models of assessment for comparison; frequency charts, > sub-clade assessments, lineage assessments, analyses, etc? That is the > point. > > I could easily up-load tons of stuff to the L21 files without discussing > any of it and informing the list that it is there.... > > but the fact remains that R-M222 as a project hasn't a project place -- > we've a forum that is of value to us; we've project pages under the > FTDNA umbrella; and we've several individual endeavors run and > maintained privately by individuals that are of value to the project but > are NOT the project -- they are individual endeavors with certain > information on loan so to speak. > > A group effort has advantages that individual efforts do not > address...this is the point to consider -- Susan > > > > On 5/7/2014 7:42 AM, Paul Ó Duḃṫaiġ wrote: > > I should note that other then been an alumni of NUIG I have no connection > > with it since I graduated in 2003. In this case the website is running > out > > of my public_html directory on the Computer Societies server where I > still > > have a shell account. > > > > -Paul > > (DF41+) > > > > > > On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Gerry Hoy <gerry.hoy@ringofgullion.com > >wrote: > > > >> John's website was copied to the NUI Galway server last July. I have > >> archived John's data and I know that others have too. > >> > >> The same disadvantages concerning a death apply to Yahoo Groups as well > as > >> a Website. If the owner dies and no one knows the login details in > either > >> case, the site becomes unusable eventually. If the details are known to > a > >> group of people, the site goes on. > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > >> dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Hedeen > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 2:46 AM > >> To: dna-r1b1c7 > >> Subject: [R-M222] Catching up M222 > >> > >> John's web-site is now down. The plethora of M222 specific information > >> contained on John's site is now unavailable. As insensitive as this may > >> sound, private web-sites are wonderful until they are gone because the > >> owner dies and renewal not possible because of their passing. It would > be > >> of benefit to keep important files, analyses, observations, among other > >> things in a centralized location such as what L21 offers through yahoo > >> groups. Survival and availability of the information is more likely to > >> remain as the torch is passed within a group. It isn't such a big > thing to > >> join for access if one wants to access it. As a project, we could > accept > >> Mike's offer to help us set up a M222 specific place, and I suggest > that it > >> would benefit us to do so...we don't need to move the forum...the files > >> section could be tailored to suit the needs of the project within the > >> structure provided; and certain information should continue to be filed > in > >> L21 files as what is happening now even if for some stuff a > >> duplication...so that it is available to the researchers integrating it > >> within the parent sub-clade. > >> > >> I hope there is further discussion of this. Well I've now over 231 > emails > >> to attend to...likely will not get through them tonight. Thank you to > those > >> who have sent their testing information to me; please continue to do so. > >> There are many I need to respond to privately...I will do so within > the > >> next several days. Susan > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >