Dear Iain, I'm wondering if you could provide me with some guidance about next steps with ordering SNPs for my father's DNA. I know just enough about dna analysis to be "dangerous" to myself. LOL. My dad's kit is 258368 at FTdna. He (Leo Heiland) just passed away, so I won't likely be able to do a Big Y test because FTdna says it likely will require additional saliva. However, my brothers are living, so I could do the Big Y test at some point by asking one of them. His results so far is R-M222+, DF 85-. The M222 Project administrators at FtDNA suggested I ask you for advice on which other tests would be most beneficial to me to learn more specific details. They said that I need to look "up stream" of DF 85, which I understand in theory, but neither they or I know which tests to explore next. They encouraged me to ask you. Would you kindly provide me with some direction? I know you get a lot of requests, so I understand if you are busy. Teresa Heiland (Daughter of an Irishman without an Irish name.)

Teresa, I see that your tagline is, "Daughter of an Irishman without an Irish name" - are you of Irish "Palatine German" descent? If not, your name Heiland may be a variant spelling of the Laois name Hyland. http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm?fuseaction=surnamemap&Surname=hyland Cheers, Paul On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Teresa Heiland <teresaheiland@hotmail.com>wrote: > Dear Iain, > > I'm wondering if you could provide me with some guidance about next steps > with ordering SNPs for my father's DNA. > I know just enough about dna analysis to be "dangerous" to myself. LOL. > > My dad's kit is > 258368 at FTdna. He (Leo > Heiland) just passed away, so I won't likely be able to do a Big Y test > because FTdna says it likely will require additional saliva. However, my > brothers are living, so I could do the Big Y test at some point by asking > one of them. > > His results so far is R-M222+, DF 85-. > > The M222 Project administrators at FtDNA suggested I ask you for advice on > which other tests would be most beneficial to me to learn more specific > details. They said that I need to look "up stream" of DF 85, which I > understand in theory, but neither they or I know which tests to explore > next. They encouraged me to ask you. > > Would you kindly provide me with some direction? I know you get a lot of > requests, so I understand if you are busy. > > Teresa Heiland > (Daughter of an Irishman without an Irish name.) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Teresa, the best option would be to take advantage of the YSEQ sale which should allow two rounds of testing before the price goes up (and even then is cheaper than FTDNA), assuming one of your brothers is willing. A strategy would be round one: S660 round two: S588 if S660+. FGC4077 if S660-. That will more or less nail it unless you are S588+ and then have to follow up for a third round. The growing picture as you may have gathered is a heavy concentration with S660 as their terminal SNP so statistically that is probably the most likely outcome and a third round wouldn't then be needed. I think Chromo2 is not such a good option in your case as you have already eliminated one major branch. Iain > From: teresaheiland@hotmail.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 10:00:40 -0700 > Subject: [R-M222] needing advice > > Dear Iain, > > I'm wondering if you could provide me with some guidance about next steps with ordering SNPs for my father's DNA. > I know just enough about dna analysis to be "dangerous" to myself. LOL. > > My dad's kit is > 258368 at FTdna. He (Leo Heiland) just passed away, so I won't likely be able to do a Big Y test because FTdna says it likely will require additional saliva. However, my brothers are living, so I could do the Big Y test at some point by asking one of them. > > His results so far is R-M222+, DF 85-. > > The M222 Project administrators at FtDNA suggested I ask you for advice on which other tests would be most beneficial to me to learn more specific details. They said that I need to look "up stream" of DF 85, which I understand in theory, but neither they or I know which tests to explore next. They encouraged me to ask you. > > Would you kindly provide me with some direction? I know you get a lot of requests, so I understand if you are busy. > > Teresa Heiland > (Daughter of an Irishman without an Irish name.) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Iain, You mention test as follows: round one: S660 round two: S588 if S660+. FGC4077 if S660-. It seems that I am negative for S588 and negative for FGC4077; there are a quite a few other markers and SNPs listed in my Chromo2 signature - is it that S660 would be my terminal SNP, and nothing (yet) discovered below it (besides S588 / FGC4077)? thanks, John On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > Teresa, the best option would be to take advantage of the YSEQ sale which > should allow two rounds of testing before the price goes up (and even then > is cheaper than FTDNA), assuming one of your brothers is willing. A > strategy would be > round one: S660 > round two: S588 if S660+. FGC4077 if S660-. > > That will more or less nail it unless you are S588+ and then have to > follow up for a third round. The growing picture as you may have gathered > is a heavy concentration with S660 as their terminal SNP so statistically > that is probably the most likely outcome and a third round wouldn't then be > needed. > > I think Chromo2 is not such a good option in your case as you have already > eliminated one major branch. > > Iain > > > > > > > From: teresaheiland@hotmail.com > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 10:00:40 -0700 > > Subject: [R-M222] needing advice > > > > Dear Iain, > > > > I'm wondering if you could provide me with some guidance about next > steps with ordering SNPs for my father's DNA. > > I know just enough about dna analysis to be "dangerous" to myself. LOL. > > > > My dad's kit is > > 258368 at FTdna. He (Leo > Heiland) just passed away, so I won't likely be able to do a Big Y test > because FTdna says it likely will require additional saliva. However, my > brothers are living, so I could do the Big Y test at some point by asking > one of them. > > > > His results so far is R-M222+, DF 85-. > > > > The M222 Project administrators at FtDNA suggested I ask you for advice > on which other tests would be most beneficial to me to learn more specific > details. They said that I need to look "up stream" of DF 85, which I > understand in theory, but neither they or I know which tests to explore > next. They encouraged me to ask you. > > > > Would you kindly provide me with some direction? I know you get a lot > of requests, so I understand if you are busy. > > > > Teresa Heiland > > (Daughter of an Irishman without an Irish name.) > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >