I am about to post the new work sheet; however thought I'd give individuals the opportunity to review prior to doing so. Extra sets of eyes always a good thing in the event of even a slight error or omission. Any that desire to review it PLEASE EMAIL ME PRIVATELY. Here is a summary report of the work, separated by headers. DF97: 18 surnames 33 results (1 being used as a proxy for another) 67Marks 1550±175 ybd w/out Coleman 400 CE 37Marks 1650±200 ybd w/Coleman 300 CE S668 2 surnames (Allison and McCollum) 2 results 67Marks 750±295 ybd 1200 CE S673 Boath…no strs Dunbar one only haplotype, hence no TMRCA DF85 8 surnames 9 results 67Marks 1525±260 ybd 425 CE 37Marks 2000±330 ybd 50BCE DF104 (S661) McKenzie (neg 1265, df85) FTDNA DF104 DF105/S659 - S660/DF109 27 surnames 30 results 67M 1450±180 ybd 500 CE 111M 1425±150ybd same To deflect the comment about how can DF97 and DF85 be showing a higher median age than S660, take note that TMRCA is a statistical function and the numbers are withing the margins of one another DF97: 1550±175 ybd DF85: 1525±260 ybd S660: 1450±180 ybd AND in actuality, there is only a 4 generation difference with an average deviation of about 200 years for the median value. DF97 is a very diverse group within their haplotypes, and they remain nearly bi-modal. This bi-modality could be of a geographical consideration, Once the lineages there in are analyzed we may have a better flavor for it. S603 5 surnames 6 results 67Marks 1550±285 ybd 400 CE Same comment as above, including the bi-modality bit. S590 Byrne Chromo2 S590 S595 2 surnames 4 results 750±300 ybd 1200 CE S588 3 surnames (one testing S603) 3 results 1500±370 ybd 450 CE S588 and DF85 are apparently brothers as indicated in phylogeny DF85: 1525±260 ybd If these fellows remain terminal for S588, these numbers are supportive of the two splitting away from S660 at about the same time. S7049 McGonnigil FGC S7049 F3952 2 surnames 2 results 1100±365 ybd 850 CE S7814 3 surnames 3 results 1100±365 ybd 850 CE F1265 3 surnames 6 results 585±150 ybd 1450 CE Surnames involved may be linked by Clan and geography MacDonald, MacLennan, and McKenzie Basic TMRCA MacDonald/MacLennan: 315 ybd - 1635 CE - there is a good size standard deviation that I did not calculate MacDonald and McKenzie: 470 ybd -1480 CE - same remark MacLennan and McKenzie: 470 ybd -1480 CE - same remark S7073 Group in TOTAL 13 surnames 14 results 1425±210 ybd 525 CE of this group FGC4077/4078: 1325±340 ybd 625 CE FGC 4087: 1200±175 ybd 750 CE S7073 Beirne (K) Gillespie 1550±440 ybd 400 CE Which is consistent and within the margin with the group at large. This could suggest that FGC 4077/4078 and FGC4087 are equivalent Thus far all of the FGC4077/78 group that has tested for FGC4087 have been found positive to the best of my knowledge. If that isn't correct, please suggest a negative result. The average between the 2 of the S7073 remaining and the group at large is about 1490±325 ybd Since the standard deviation for Beirne and Gillespie is at over 28% -- that is a confidence level of about 72% and the confidence level for the group at large is 85%. S567 and S568 2 surnames 2 results one in each 1 haplotype belonging to Lamont PF1169 5 surnames 5 results 4 haplotypes 1200±300 ybd 750 CE Hope you find this helpful. Susan Hedeen

Thanks for posting this Susan, really great work. I appreciate seeing the summary, it helps alot. John On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Susan Hedeen < chantillycarpets@earthlink.net> wrote: > I am about to post the new work sheet; however thought I'd give > individuals the opportunity to review prior to doing so. Extra sets of > eyes always a good thing in the event of even a slight error or > omission. Any that desire to review it PLEASE EMAIL ME PRIVATELY. > > Here is a summary report of the work, separated by headers. > > DF97: > 18 surnames > 33 results (1 being used as a proxy for another) > 67Marks 1550±175 ybd w/out Coleman 400 CE > 37Marks 1650±200 ybd w/Coleman 300 CE > > S668 > 2 surnames (Allison and McCollum) > 2 results > 67Marks 750±295 ybd 1200 CE > > S673 > Boath…no strs > Dunbar one only haplotype, hence no TMRCA > > DF85 > 8 surnames > 9 results > 67Marks 1525±260 ybd 425 CE > 37Marks 2000±330 ybd 50BCE > > DF104 (S661) > McKenzie (neg 1265, df85) FTDNA DF104 > > DF105/S659 - S660/DF109 > 27 surnames > 30 results > 67M 1450±180 ybd 500 CE > 111M 1425±150ybd same > > To deflect the comment about how can DF97 and DF85 be showing a higher > median age than S660, take note that TMRCA is a statistical function and > the numbers are withing the margins of one another > > DF97: 1550±175 ybd > DF85: 1525±260 ybd > S660: 1450±180 ybd > > AND in actuality, there is only a 4 generation difference with an average > deviation of about 200 years for the median value. > DF97 is a very diverse group within their haplotypes, and they > remain nearly bi-modal. This bi-modality could be of a geographical > consideration, > Once the lineages there in are analyzed we may have a better flavor for it. > > S603 > 5 surnames > 6 results > 67Marks 1550±285 ybd 400 CE > Same comment as above, including the bi-modality bit. > > S590 > Byrne Chromo2 S590 > > S595 > 2 surnames > 4 results > 750±300 ybd 1200 CE > > S588 > 3 surnames (one testing S603) > 3 results > 1500±370 ybd 450 CE > > S588 and DF85 are apparently brothers as indicated in phylogeny > DF85: 1525±260 ybd > > If these fellows remain terminal for S588, these numbers are supportive > of the two splitting away from S660 at about the same time. > > S7049 > McGonnigil FGC S7049 > > F3952 > 2 surnames > 2 results > 1100±365 ybd 850 CE > > S7814 > 3 surnames > 3 results > 1100±365 ybd 850 CE > > F1265 > 3 surnames > 6 results > 585±150 ybd 1450 CE > Surnames involved may be linked by Clan and geography > MacDonald, MacLennan, and McKenzie > Basic TMRCA > MacDonald/MacLennan: 315 ybd - 1635 CE - there is a good size standard > deviation that I did not calculate > MacDonald and McKenzie: 470 ybd -1480 CE - same remark > MacLennan and McKenzie: 470 ybd -1480 CE - same remark > > S7073 Group in TOTAL > 13 surnames > 14 results > 1425±210 ybd 525 CE > > of this group > FGC4077/4078: 1325±340 ybd 625 CE > FGC 4087: 1200±175 ybd 750 CE > S7073 > Beirne (K) > Gillespie > 1550±440 ybd 400 CE Which is consistent and within the margin > with the group at large. This could suggest that FGC 4077/4078 and > FGC4087 are equivalent > Thus far all of the FGC4077/78 group that has tested for FGC4087 have > been found positive > to the best of my knowledge. If that isn't correct, please suggest a > negative result. > > The average between the 2 of the S7073 remaining and the group at large > is about 1490±325 ybd > Since the standard deviation for Beirne and Gillespie is at over 28% -- > that is a confidence level of about 72% > and the confidence level for the group at large is 85%. > > S567 and S568 > 2 surnames > 2 results one in each > 1 haplotype belonging to Lamont > > PF1169 > 5 surnames > 5 results > 4 haplotypes > 1200±300 ybd 750 CE > > Hope you find this helpful. Susan Hedeen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >