Have you personally examined the variation in M222+ STR's? If so, I'd be interested in what you found. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Forrest Sent: 25 October 2011 17:26 To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] DF23 test now available at FTDNA As a follow-up to my last post, I just noticed that some STR results for an anonymous DF23+ M222- individual (from Utah) have been released. See this thread: http://www.worldfamilies.net/forum/index.php?topic=10088.0 I should say that because DF23 is upstream of M222, we would expect that the DF23+ population could have at least as much variation as the M222+ population show.