John, Just checked my 23andMe, and some of my 750+ Relatives are way upstream of R-M222, for example: R1b: 1. Magee - Irish 2. McCann - Irish R1b1: 1. Bappa - Fulani from Nigeria R1b1b2: 1. Urovish - Ashkenazi Jew from Ukraine 2. Carlson - Norwegian R1b1b2*: 1. Crenson - English 2. Roitman - Ashkenazi Jew ...and so on So as you see, some Irish people actually DO HAVE results more like those from the Middle East. Cheers, Paul On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:05 PM, <Lochlan@aol.com> wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/11/2011 6:23:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > pconroy63@gmail.com writes: > > John, > > People whose haplotype show up in Green have been SNP tested. They are > given > the designation of their terminal SNP - the last one they are positive > for. > I was one of the early testers of the Deep Clade test, and M222 was > available then. Some other companies had SNP tests available prior to > this, > FTDNA was not the first to offer SNP tests. > > I couldn't find any way to contact FTDNA but I did find some discussion of > others with single P25+ results identical to those in the M222 project. > > > Apparently these were very early tests done by FTDNA prior to adopting > deep clade SNP testing. EthnoAncestry was doing them much earlier. > > "I suspect FTDNA was feeling a little competitive pressure from other > testing > companies. FTDNA is the market leader for Y-DYS testing (our Short Tandem > Repeats), but they didn't offer the best packages for SNP (Single > Nucleotide > Polymorphism) testing. For example, when I had them run my SNP early in > 2005, the only result I received was P25 positive; enough to identify me > as > R1b1, but all I got was the result on that one marker. Still, the test was > only 65 bucks so I wasn't complaining." > > Another post says: > > "My personal Haplogroup page at FTDNA (no deep clade test from FTDNA) > Your Haplogroup (&) Tests R1b1 P25+" > > He then compares his results to a cousin who took the full deep clade > test. > > "An R1b1* haplogroup page (one of my “cousins”) > Your Haplogroup (&) Tests > R1b1 M173+ M207+ M343+ P25+ M126- M153- M160- M18- M222- M269- M37- > M65- M73- P66- SRY2627-" > > "Please note that the pluses and minuses agree that P25 was/is > universally tested by FTDNA and all subclades are verified as > negative except for me as my R1b confirmation test was run prior to > the offering of deep clade tests. (EthnoAncestry ran my deep clade > tests.) I can not personally attest to what tests by FTDNA are run; > but, I remember that several contributors to this digest kvetch > about their use of P25." > > > So I do not think these samples are necessarily M222-. Or negative for > M269 or L21. They simply haven't been tested since the very early days at > FTDNA. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >