Here's another example: 105696 Ewing R1b1a2 13 25 15 10 11-13 12 12 13 13 14 29 17 9-10 11 11 24 15183115-16-16-18111119-231816181737-38111211915-1681010810101221-21161012121681225201312111311111212 37180Ewing R1b1a2 13 25 15 10 11-13 12 12 13 13 14 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 18 3115-16-16-17111119-231716181735-371112 32942Ewing R1b1 13 25 15 10 11-13 12 12 13 13 14 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 18 3115-16-16-17111119-231816181735-381112 26860Ewing R1b1a2 13 25 15 10 11-13 12 12 13 13 14 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 18 3115-16-16-17111119-231816181737-381112 54199Ewing R1b1a2 13 25 15 10 11-13 12 12 13 13 14 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 18 3115-16-16-17111119-231816181737-38111211915-1681010810101221-23161012121681225201312111311111212 136564Ewing R1b1a2 13 25 15 10 11-13 12 12 13 13 14 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 18 3115-16-16-17111119-231816181738-381112 59136Ewing R1b1a2 13 25 15 10 11-13 12 12 13 13 14 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 18 3115-16-16-1791119-231816181737-381112 69700Ewing R1b1a2 13 25 15 10 11-13 12 12 13 13 14 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 3115-16-16-17111119-231816191737-381112 All these Ewing members are mostly the same, but only one has been SNP tested (32942), and his result is M222- (negative), so it's possible that all the others are M222- as well. So they are not in fact part of the M222 clade at all. Cheers, Paul On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Paul Conroy <pconroy63@gmail.com> wrote: > Bill, > > I have read your description of your methodology and found it was based on > STR variation, both myself and Busby pointed out the problems with this. > > But if you won't defend it, that's fine - enough said. > > Maybe you can answer this then, here are some people from the M222 group, > which were SNP tested and came up negative for M222 (or M222-), their > haplogroup is marked in GREEN: > > 25105 McLaughlin R1b1 > 27071 McCord R1b1 > 14740 Cowen R1b1 > 32498 Doherty R1b1 > > These people are close matches to others who have NOT been SNP tested, so > these others could also be M222-. Why would M222- people be used in > calculating the TMRCA of M222+ people????? > > Cheers, > Paul > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Bill Howard <weh8@verizon.net> wrote: > >> I stand by all my postings. You say you are not reading my papers and >> naturally you won't understand my approach. >> My papers are being published — two already and four more in the works; >> others are reading them. >> I have written Sandy privately about the challenge and have given him >> reasons why I don't want to participate -- mainly because there is no >> reciprocity in discussions of differences. Let's not continue this fruitless >> harangue. >> - Bye from Bill Howard >> >> >> >> R1b1c7 Research and Links: >> >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >