I have found a very interesting, and relatively rare, off-modal value that is shared by three (possibly more) surname projects that have R-M222 folks. Both the Herring and Heron surname projects, and the Munley/Manley surname project have DYS 455=12 for most of their participants. I have been in touch with the admin of the Herring project and he has tested R-M222 and believes that most of his group is also R-M222. Most of the Munley surname project is also R-M222. In searching, I also found a discussion of DYS 455=12 for the "Hopkins/McCabe Cluster" on the R-L21 forum. There appear to be a large number of McCabes that have this value, however most of of them have NOT been tested for R-M222, and may not be so. There are a couple groups where the STR values look like they could be R-M222. Most of the McCabes are predicted R-M269. A couple are positive for R-L159.2 and a couple are positive for R-L21. I also found four Scottish R-L21 Fergusons and two R-M222 Dorseys with the DYS455=12 value. DYS 455=12 supposedly occurs less than 1% of the time. The most common value is DYS 455=11. I know of no connection between these surnames, and would appreciate hearing if there is one. The Munleys are strictly County Mayo descendants, although there is supposedly a connection to the Doherty clan in the 16th century that is fairly widely accepted. I am unfamiliar with the origins of the other surnames. Still - DYS455 is one of the slowest-moving markers (mutation rate = 0.00016), so this might be one STR to look at. I would appreciate anyone thoughts on this. Best regards, Marianne Manley Granoff Project Administrator Munley/Manley Surname Project

A good one to look at, I think, Marianne. I am DYS 455=11, however, and wouldn't be much help. Regards, Bob Bob Quinn President&CEO Quinn Specialty Chemical Consultants Partner at Bay Street Investors/Bay Street Partners Co-Chair ACS GCI Manufacturer's Roundtable 27 Langton Lane Newtown Square, Pa, 19073 T:610-331-4920 e-mail:raaq@live.com Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobquinnspecialtychemicals > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:02:21 -0600 > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > From: granoff@zianet.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] R-M222 off modal matches > > > I have found a very interesting, and relatively rare, off-modal value > that is shared by three (possibly more) surname projects that have > R-M222 folks. > > Both the Herring and Heron surname projects, and the Munley/Manley > surname project have DYS 455=12 for most of their participants. I > have been in touch with the admin of the Herring project and he has > tested R-M222 and believes that most of his group is also > R-M222. Most of the Munley surname project is also R-M222. > > In searching, I also found a discussion of DYS 455=12 for the > "Hopkins/McCabe Cluster" on the R-L21 forum. There appear to be a > large number of McCabes that have this value, however most of of them > have NOT been tested for R-M222, and may not be so. There are a > couple groups where the STR values look like they could be > R-M222. Most of the McCabes are predicted R-M269. A couple are > positive for R-L159.2 and a couple are positive for R-L21. > > I also found four Scottish R-L21 Fergusons and two R-M222 Dorseys > with the DYS455=12 value. > > DYS 455=12 supposedly occurs less than 1% of the time. The most > common value is DYS 455=11. > > I know of no connection between these surnames, and would appreciate > hearing if there is one. The Munleys are strictly County Mayo > descendants, although there is supposedly a connection to the Doherty > clan in the 16th century that is fairly widely accepted. > > I am unfamiliar with the origins of the other surnames. Still - > DYS455 is one of the slowest-moving markers (mutation rate = > 0.00016), so this might be one STR to look at. > > I would appreciate anyone thoughts on this. > > Best regards, > > Marianne Manley Granoff > Project Administrator > Munley/Manley Surname Project > > > > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bob If you are kit number 136353 I think I have some interesting information for you. Here's a clue : I think you are going to have to start practicing you Scots accent. I find kit number 136353 to have 7 misses with the M222 modal over 67 markers. You have posted that you miss the M222 modal by 7, which is why I think you may be kit number 136353. The misses are at DYS19 15 DYS439 13 DYS464c 17 DYS456 16 CDYa 39 CDYb 40 DYS442 11 Of these, DYS19, DYS439 and DYS442 match Ewing 125632 and Ewing 39537. I'm sure that you match many more Ewings, but these are the ones with the closest GD, namely a gd of 7 over 67 markers. So. A gd of 7 over 67 markers including three off-modal matches, which include DYS442=11, the marker with the highest Ewing specificity. In addition, you match a Smith, who I think is a Ewing NPE at a gd of 7, but this time with 4 off-modal markers instead of 3. It's a long story, and no doubt the nay-sayers will have a full go, but I believe that you are descended from the Mackqueins of Ottir (for that, read Macewens of Otter), as are (I believe) the Ewings. I'll send you a file off-list so that you can check your off-modal matches. For your interest, I make your TMRCA with Ewing 39537 about 24 generations back. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob Quinn Sent: 17 October 2011 22:21 To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] R-M222 off modal matches A good one to look at, I think, Marianne. I am DYS 455=11, however, and wouldn't be much help. Regards, Bob Bob Quinn President&CEO Quinn Specialty Chemical Consultants Partner at Bay Street Investors/Bay Street Partners Co-Chair ACS GCI Manufacturer's Roundtable 27 Langton Lane Newtown Square, Pa, 19073 T:610-331-4920 e-mail:raaq@live.com Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobquinnspecialtychemicals > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:02:21 -0600 > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > From: granoff@zianet.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] R-M222 off modal matches > > > I have found a very interesting, and relatively rare, off-modal value > that is shared by three (possibly more) surname projects that have > R-M222 folks. > > Both the Herring and Heron surname projects, and the Munley/Manley > surname project have DYS 455=12 for most of their participants. I > have been in touch with the admin of the Herring project and he has > tested R-M222 and believes that most of his group is also > R-M222. Most of the Munley surname project is also R-M222. > > In searching, I also found a discussion of DYS 455=12 for the > "Hopkins/McCabe Cluster" on the R-L21 forum. There appear to be a > large number of McCabes that have this value, however most of of them > have NOT been tested for R-M222, and may not be so. There are a > couple groups where the STR values look like they could be > R-M222. Most of the McCabes are predicted R-M269. A couple are > positive for R-L159.2 and a couple are positive for R-L21. > > I also found four Scottish R-L21 Fergusons and two R-M222 Dorseys > with the DYS455=12 value. > > DYS 455=12 supposedly occurs less than 1% of the time. The most > common value is DYS 455=11. > > I know of no connection between these surnames, and would appreciate > hearing if there is one. The Munleys are strictly County Mayo > descendants, although there is supposedly a connection to the Doherty > clan in the 16th century that is fairly widely accepted. > > I am unfamiliar with the origins of the other surnames. Still - > DYS455 is one of the slowest-moving markers (mutation rate = > 0.00016), so this might be one STR to look at. > > I would appreciate anyone thoughts on this. > > Best regards, > > Marianne Manley Granoff > Project Administrator > Munley/Manley Surname Project > > > > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message