John, I don't think anyone want you to leave. I do think some of us would like to help with organizing the great mass of participants into some sub-clusters, based on off-modal values shared. I know Don Milligan and David Grierson have done some good work on the "Nith Valley Cluster" - centered in South West Scotland, but including some stragglers from the Irish Midland. it would be great I think if their work was reflected in the presentation of the results. But that's just my opinion. I would like to get a downloaded copy of the project data in the .xml format - available via the Administrator GAP Tool - so that I could play with the results, sort them and look for patterns myself. Some projects have 4 or more co-admins, so there no reason that a few more people with different skill sets couldn't be added as Administrators. In the L21 Project for example, Mike Walshe focuses on detecting new patterns, another co-admin focuses on assigning new participants to existing sub-clusters and communicating with new members, etc. So there are many skill sets needed. Mark Jost and another focus on using the data to draw up visuals - diagrams and charts - of relationships within the group, and so on. Cheers, Paul On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:57 PM, <Lochlan@aol.com> wrote: > I spent some time checking received lab results for the project. Paul's > results are interesting. He shows: > > R1b1a2a1a1b4b P25+ M343+ M269+ M222+ M207+ M173+ SRY2627- P66- M73- M65- > M37- M18- M160- M153- M126- > > But he also shows two different SNP tests. > > 1. P25 12/16/2004 > 2, DSNP-R1b 6/23/2006 > > > As of 12/16/2004 he would have been listed, based on result 1, as P25 and > R1b1 just like the other samples in question. He would still be listed as > that today if he had not taken the DSNP test two years later. > > I looked at the McLaughlin sample in question (there is only one). 25105. > On 4/19/2007 he shows a P25 test identical to Paul's. But he never > upgraded to the DSNP test or what FTDNA later began calling the DCLADE > test. > This sample has not been tested for M222 or any other SNP other than P25. > > The same thing is true of the Doherty sample. He also only tested for > P25 in 8/1/2005. He never had another SNP test or Deep Clade test. He > too > is still P25. > > At about the same time the McLaughlin sample was tested for P25 other DSNP > tests were reported. > Bernard Morgan of this list had one done in April 2007 and the results were > reported as follows: > > R1b1a2a1a1b4b P25+ M343+ M269+ M222+ M207+ M173+ SRY2627- P66- M73- M65- > M37- M18- M160- M153- M126- > > > The P25 SNP results reported in the project are essentially orphans that > have never been upgraded or checked for any SNP except P25. I will stand > by > that deduction, It could easily be verified through FTDNA should anyone > desire to do so. (assuming you can find a way to ask the question). > These > are not examples of M222 negative samples that just happen to match the > M222 STR pattern. > > There are some out there. Possibly more we don't know about. Perhaps > even some in the project although I think the likelihood of that is > extremely > low. > > If someone would be so kind as to relieve me of any responsibility for > the M222 project you could do what you wish with it. Make everyone take > an > SNP test. Drop all untested samples from the project. David Wilson > wouldn't care. He's retired anyway. He asked me a few months ago to try > and > replace him. No luck yet. > > > > John > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >