Hi Walter No, I haven't leapt anywhere. But this list is interesting : >> Brown Cannon Carnes Carroll Cawthon Coyne (2) Creegan Daugherty Folan Gilmore Golden Graham Heflin Holt Hughes Kanary Kennedy Lawson MacAulay MacKenzie Manley Mawhorter McAdams McCall McGrath McKemmish McLaughlin (2) Munnelly Neel Queen Quinn Rice Sinclair Soakell Taylor Thrasher Towey Whitehead Wilson Yakes Young which, of course, doesn't prove anything except that it is likely that we are not English. Include 37 marker matches (excluding the duplicates who tested to 67) and the list becomes increasingly Celtic. >> I recently acquired a copy of Black's book 'The Surnames of Scotland'. Most of the above surnames are in the book (that doesn't mean they originated in Scotland, merely that they are found there). Also, Black mentions a Robert Fremansone, burgess of Jeddeworthe, 1296 (Bain II, p 197). Jeddeworthe is in Co Lanark, Scotland. Sandy

Fremansone found here as well, along with a Jacob Freman. http://books.google.com/books?id=KHeAAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA224&lpg=PA224&dq=Robert+Fremansone&source=bl&ots=-vew0PVjNR&sig=-raLQv6A5tiEiAkjoXPoJnVXqpw&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Robert%20Fremansone&f=false Just a cursory search also has Jacob Freman as perhaps a part of the Ragman Rolls in a history of Peebleshire...from 1291. Will have to delve further into this.... http://books.google.com/books?id=IKsHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA64&lpg=PA64&dq=jacob+freman&source=bl&ots=ayZzEwar5h&sig=IrEueyUlPFc2kZBYvM14x9AnnLY&hl=en#v=onepage&q=jacob%20freman&f=false Regards, Steve > From: alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 10:09:53 +0100 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] R-M222 off modal matches > > Hi Walter > > No, I haven't leapt anywhere. But this list is interesting : > > >> > Brown > Cannon > Carnes > Carroll > Cawthon > Coyne (2) > Creegan > Daugherty > Folan > Gilmore > Golden > Graham > Heflin > Holt > Hughes > Kanary > Kennedy > Lawson > MacAulay > MacKenzie > Manley > Mawhorter > McAdams > McCall > McGrath > McKemmish > McLaughlin (2) > Munnelly > Neel > Queen > Quinn > Rice > Sinclair > Soakell > Taylor > Thrasher > Towey > Whitehead > Wilson > Yakes > Young > > which, of course, doesn't prove anything except that it is likely that > we are not English. Include 37 marker matches (excluding the duplicates > who tested to 67) and the list becomes increasingly Celtic. > >> > > I recently acquired a copy of Black's book 'The Surnames of Scotland'. Most > of the above surnames are in the book (that doesn't mean they originated in > Scotland, merely that they are found there). > > Also, Black mentions a Robert Fremansone, burgess of Jeddeworthe, 1296 (Bain > II, p 197). > > Jeddeworthe is in Co Lanark, Scotland. > > > Sandy > > > > > > > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sandy, Could you explain why this list is interesting? My father, James J. Golden, is on it. His parents were natives of Rathlacken, a tiny town in northern Co. Mayo. The name is one of the various Anglicized versions of MacUalhairg, e.g., Golding, Goulding, and (Mac)Goldrick). They were definitely Irish (native Gaelic speakers and all that). My grandfather had a strong aversion to the English because of their heavy-handedness: among other things for the Anglicization they imposed (the Irish were forbidden to teach, speak and write Gaelic), the Famine... And BTW, I thank you and all of the men I refer to as "the smart guys" (Bernard Morgan, David Ewing, Paul Conroy, John Lochlan, Bill Howard, Iain Kennedy, Pablo Burns, and I'm sure I'm forgetting someone). You all bring a lively, informed and interesting perspective on things. While we don't always agree on the "why" of our searches, it's fascinating all the same on so many levels. Thanks, Marie Golden Kerr on behalf of James J. Golden. He was my father, a WWII vet, and he died last week at the age of 91. -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Paterson Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 5:10 AM To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] R-M222 off modal matches Hi Walter No, I haven't leapt anywhere. But this list is interesting : >> Brown Cannon Carnes Carroll Cawthon Coyne (2) Creegan Daugherty Folan Gilmore Golden Graham Heflin Holt Hughes Kanary Kennedy Lawson MacAulay MacKenzie Manley Mawhorter McAdams McCall McGrath McKemmish McLaughlin (2) Munnelly Neel Queen Quinn Rice Sinclair Soakell Taylor Thrasher Towey Whitehead Wilson Yakes Young which, of course, doesn't prove anything except that it is likely that we are not English. Include 37 marker matches (excluding the duplicates who tested to 67) and the list becomes increasingly Celtic. >> I recently acquired a copy of Black's book 'The Surnames of Scotland'. Most of the above surnames are in the book (that doesn't mean they originated in Scotland, merely that they are found there). Also, Black mentions a Robert Fremansone, burgess of Jeddeworthe, 1296 (Bain II, p 197). Jeddeworthe is in Co Lanark, Scotland. Sandy R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marie, These were a list compiled by Walter Freeman as close matches to him...and myself (My line is a Freeman NPE). Sandy was just replying to it. Off the top of my head, some of them have off modal matches with the large Ewing group as I do. Some of them have derivative surnames on the Ragman's roll in places like Peebleshire in 1196 as I do, a stones throw from Ewing country. This is getting kind of interesting. Regards, Steve > From: mkerr.shamrock@comcast.net > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 11:46:15 -0400 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] R-M222 off modal matches > > Sandy, > > Could you explain why this list is interesting? My father, James J. Golden, > is on it. His parents were natives of Rathlacken, a tiny town in northern > Co. Mayo. The name is one of the various Anglicized versions of > MacUalhairg, e.g., Golding, Goulding, and (Mac)Goldrick). They were > definitely Irish (native Gaelic speakers and all that). My grandfather had > a strong aversion to the English because of their heavy-handedness: among > other things for the Anglicization they imposed (the Irish were forbidden to > teach, speak and write Gaelic), the Famine... > > And BTW, I thank you and all of the men I refer to as "the smart guys" > (Bernard Morgan, David Ewing, Paul Conroy, John Lochlan, Bill Howard, Iain > Kennedy, Pablo Burns, and I'm sure I'm forgetting someone). You all bring a > lively, informed and interesting perspective on things. While we don't > always agree on the "why" of our searches, it's fascinating all the same on > so many levels. > > Thanks, > Marie Golden Kerr on behalf of James J. Golden. He was my father, a WWII > vet, and he died last week at the age of 91. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Paterson > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 5:10 AM > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] R-M222 off modal matches > > Hi Walter > > No, I haven't leapt anywhere. But this list is interesting : > > >> > Brown > Cannon > Carnes > Carroll > Cawthon > Coyne (2) > Creegan > Daugherty > Folan > Gilmore > Golden > Graham > Heflin > Holt > Hughes > Kanary > Kennedy > Lawson > MacAulay > MacKenzie > Manley > Mawhorter > McAdams > McCall > McGrath > McKemmish > McLaughlin (2) > Munnelly > Neel > Queen > Quinn > Rice > Sinclair > Soakell > Taylor > Thrasher > Towey > Whitehead > Wilson > Yakes > Young > > which, of course, doesn't prove anything except that it is likely that we > are not English. Include 37 marker matches (excluding the duplicates who > tested to 67) and the list becomes increasingly Celtic. > >> > > I recently acquired a copy of Black's book 'The Surnames of Scotland'. Most > of the above surnames are in the book (that doesn't mean they originated in > Scotland, merely that they are found there). > > Also, Black mentions a Robert Fremansone, burgess of Jeddeworthe, 1296 (Bain > II, p 197). > > Jeddeworthe is in Co Lanark, Scotland. > > > Sandy > > > > > > > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marie It was interesting to me mostly in the context of the discussion of the origins of the surname Freeman. These are all surnames that showed up with matches with Freeman. They seem to be mostly a mixture of Irish and Scots surnames. I was really just trying to put the point across that a Scots origin for Freeman is probably just as likely as an Irish origin. Golden is also interesting in this context. In Scotland you find Goldie, Golding and McGoldrick (I haven't come across Golden over here). Gaelic is of course also spoken in Scotland, although I understand there are some differences. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marie Kerr Sent: 20 October 2011 16:46 To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] R-M222 off modal matches Sandy, Could you explain why this list is interesting? My father, James J. Golden, is on it. His parents were natives of Rathlacken, a tiny town in northern Co. Mayo. The name is one of the various Anglicized versions of MacUalhairg, e.g., Golding, Goulding, and (Mac)Goldrick). They were definitely Irish (native Gaelic speakers and all that). My grandfather had a strong aversion to the English because of their heavy-handedness: among other things for the Anglicization they imposed (the Irish were forbidden to teach, speak and write Gaelic), the Famine...