Hello Bernard, I have waited all week for someone with a decent understanding of DNA and Haplogroup application vis a vis genealogy, to comment on your question; "Are Clann Innrachtaigh mic Muireadhaigh outsiders from Meath? And mis-associated with both the Ui Maine and Ui Briuin?". My meager understanding of these matters, perhaps, leave me prone to asking, (in some minds), stupid questions. None the less, I can understand your question in regard the Ui Maine, however, I am mystified at how one should dis-associate this Clann from the Ui Briuin. Best regards, Richard Murray Kit # 47050 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Morgan" <bernardmorgan@hotmail.com> To: "dna-r1b1c7" <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [R-M222] Siol Muireadhaigh in Ui Maine clothing To muddy the waters, IHM has this list of kings of the Caille Fallamhain: For 851, Congalach filius Irgalaig, rex Coille Follamhain, died. For 882, Maelduin, son of Aenghus, lord of Caille Fallamhain, died. For 890, … Innreachtach, son of Maelduin, lord of Caille Follamhain, were slain …. For 921, Fiachra m. Cathalain ri Coille Follamhain. For 1016/17, Gilla Crist ua Lorcáin, ri Caille Follamhain, was slain. For 1017, ua Clérchéin, tigherna Caille Follamhain. We know there are two O’Larkins families from the Midlands: the kings of Caille Follamhain and another belonging to Clann Innrachtaigh mic Maelduin. This Clann Innrachtaigh mic Maelduin is the family I am wondering are in realty Clann Innrachtaigh mic Muireadhaigh of Ui Briuin for they are (Larkins) M222+. However I note a Innrachtaigh mic Maelduin was king of Caille Follamhain and would be a possible forefather to Ua Lorcáin (Ua Clérchéin). Are Clann Innrachtaigh mic Muireadhaigh outsiders from Meath? And mis-associated with both the Ui Maine and Ui Briuin? R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The other day, when I was looking for something else, I came across a Robert Milligan (1784-1872) who came over from Dumfrieshire to Prince Edward Island in 1819 with his wife and family. His father John followed in 1825. There's quite a lot of information available for Robert and his family because he was one of he original four Presbyterian elders on the island. If any Milligans on the list would like this information, please contact me off-list. Thanks.

Hello Richard, I had come across questions raised about the Siol Muireadhaigh pedigrees, which I hadn't spent much time investigating. (I have been focused on the Southern Ui Neill.) One of the typical claims is that Siol Muireadhaigh overran the lands of Ui Maine and hence fake pedigrees incorporated the Ui Maine nobles into Siol Muireadhaigh. Yet DNA results are showing this in some cases to be false. In the case of Ua Lorcain there is no Siol Muireadaigh pedigree, however there was a Ua Lorcain family on the other side of the Shannon. (Then again I wonder about Clann Lorcain of Cenel Fiachach.) On a personal side I have another problem particular to my surname. There are two Irish forms O'Muireagain and O'Murchadhain, both are diminatives. Murchadhain is from singular Murchadh or in plural Murchaidh (Murphy). O'Muireagain is also sometimes written O'Muireadhaigh (Murray) and I wonder if there is a linkage. I confident that the O'Muireadhaigh of Clann Tlamain are the same O'Muireagain of Cenel Maine. Regards, Bernard. > From: richardmurray@persona.ca > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 13:30:26 -0400 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Siol Muireadhaigh in Ui Maine clothing > > Hello Bernard, > > I have waited all week for someone with a decent understanding of DNA and > Haplogroup application vis a vis genealogy, to comment on your question; > "Are Clann Innrachtaigh mic Muireadhaigh outsiders from Meath? And > mis-associated with both the Ui Maine and Ui Briuin?". > > My meager understanding of these matters, perhaps, leave me prone to asking, > (in some minds), stupid questions. None the less, I can understand your > question in regard the Ui Maine, however, I am mystified at how one should > dis-associate this Clann from the Ui Briuin. > > Best regards, > > Richard Murray > Kit # 47050 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bernard Morgan" <bernardmorgan@hotmail.com> > To: "dna-r1b1c7" <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 4:55 PM > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Siol Muireadhaigh in Ui Maine clothing > > > > To muddy the waters, IHM has this list of kings of the Caille Fallamhain: > > For 851, Congalach filius Irgalaig, rex Coille Follamhain, died. > For 882, Maelduin, son of Aenghus, lord of Caille Fallamhain, died. > For 890, … Innreachtach, son of Maelduin, lord of Caille Follamhain, were > slain …. > For 921, Fiachra m. Cathalain ri Coille Follamhain. > For 1016/17, Gilla Crist ua Lorcáin, ri Caille Follamhain, was slain. > For 1017, ua Clérchéin, tigherna Caille Follamhain. > > We know there are two O’Larkins families from the Midlands: the kings of > Caille Follamhain and another belonging to Clann Innrachtaigh mic Maelduin. > This Clann Innrachtaigh mic Maelduin is the family I am wondering are in > realty Clann Innrachtaigh mic Muireadhaigh of Ui Briuin for they are > (Larkins) M222+. However I note a Innrachtaigh mic Maelduin was king of > Caille Follamhain and would be a possible forefather to Ua Lorcáin (Ua > Clérchéin). > > Are Clann Innrachtaigh mic Muireadhaigh outsiders from Meath? And > mis-associated with both the Ui Maine and Ui Briuin? > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message