Hi Marianne I'm also a value of 12 at 455. McHale is also a name associated with North Mayo. My kit number is 75251 Regards Ray McHale -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marianne Granoff Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2011 8:02 AM To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] R-M222 off modal matches I have found a very interesting, and relatively rare, off-modal value that is shared by three (possibly more) surname projects that have R-M222 folks. Both the Herring and Heron surname projects, and the Munley/Manley surname project have DYS 455=12 for most of their participants. I have been in touch with the admin of the Herring project and he has tested R-M222 and believes that most of his group is also R-M222. Most of the Munley surname project is also R-M222. In searching, I also found a discussion of DYS 455=12 for the "Hopkins/McCabe Cluster" on the R-L21 forum. There appear to be a large number of McCabes that have this value, however most of of them have NOT been tested for R-M222, and may not be so. There are a couple groups where the STR values look like they could be R-M222. Most of the McCabes are predicted R-M269. A couple are positive for R-L159.2 and a couple are positive for R-L21. I also found four Scottish R-L21 Fergusons and two R-M222 Dorseys with the DYS455=12 value. DYS 455=12 supposedly occurs less than 1% of the time. The most common value is DYS 455=11. I know of no connection between these surnames, and would appreciate hearing if there is one. The Munleys are strictly County Mayo descendants, although there is supposedly a connection to the Doherty clan in the 16th century that is fairly widely accepted. I am unfamiliar with the origins of the other surnames. Still - DYS455 is one of the slowest-moving markers (mutation rate = 0.00016), so this might be one STR to look at. I would appreciate anyone thoughts on this. Best regards, Marianne Manley Granoff Project Administrator Munley/Manley Surname Project R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message