Paul, FTDNA has me as R1b1a2 in red. I did several SNP tests with Ethnoancestry including M222. This was the email I received from Ethnoancestry on 28th April 2006 (from David Faux who is no longer with them). Earlier I did their 'The Works' SNP test and later I also did the S116 SNP test and was positive for that too. I just did that to help the research as the result was expected to be a formality (its upstream of L21). 28.4.06Hello all: Partial and some complete results have arrived in my inbox. It is my pleasure to be able to pass available data along to you without delay. Based on our SNP testing we have determined the following results relating to your order: M222 derived (positive) Derived = + (you have the mutation); ancestral = - (you don't have the mutation). For those who are still awaiting markers we anticipate that they will be available shortly as we attempt to clear our backlog. We have added new equipment and procedures and things should proceed at a more rapid pace. We have identified those who have the full complement of markers and their order is thus complete. Within a couple of weeks these individuals will be sent a complete listing of all the results noted in our database in the form of a report. With thanks for your patience, David. Iain > From: pconroy63@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:10:14 -0400 > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Summary of a distracting series > > Iain, > > So on the M222 Project page are you listed in RED (rough estimate) or GREEN > (actual tested), I would imagine you would be listed in red, as that > indicates a rough estimate of your haplogroup, based on just your STR > values. Your actual haplogroup is ONLY based on the results of a SNP test, > and that would be Green. > > If FTDNA allowed you to upload your results from Ethnoancestry, and they > accepted your SNP results, then it should be Green. BTW, what were the SNP's > you tested for, was one of them M222? > > Cheers, > Paul > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > > > A useful reminder, as I did my M222 test at Ethnoancestry so I have never > > thought it worth spending twice to get it confirmed by FTDNA. At the latter > > I am probably still flagged with just a predicted (and higher level) > > haplogroup. > > IainM222+ > > > > > > > > > From: Lochlan@aol.com > > > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:05:09 -0400 > > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Summary of a distracting series > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/11/2011 6:23:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > > pconroy63@gmail.com writes: > > > > > > John, > > > > > > People whose haplotype show up in Green have been SNP tested. They are > > > given > > > the designation of their terminal SNP - the last one they are positive > > for. > > > I was one of the early testers of the Deep Clade test, and M222 was > > > available then. Some other companies had SNP tests available prior to > > this, > > > FTDNA was not the first to offer SNP tests. > > > > > > I couldn't find any way to contact FTDNA but I did find some discussion > > of > > > others with single P25+ results identical to those in the M222 project. > > > > > > > > > Apparently these were very early tests done by FTDNA prior to adopting > > > deep clade SNP testing. EthnoAncestry was doing them much earlier. > > > > > > "I suspect FTDNA was feeling a little competitive pressure from other > > > testing > > > companies. FTDNA is the market leader for Y-DYS testing (our Short > > Tandem > > > Repeats), but they didn't offer the best packages for SNP (Single > > > Nucleotide > > > Polymorphism) testing. For example, when I had them run my SNP early in > > > 2005, the only result I received was P25 positive; enough to identify me > > > as > > > R1b1, but all I got was the result on that one marker. Still, the test > > was > > > only 65 bucks so I wasn't complaining." > > > > > > Another post says: > > > > > > "My personal Haplogroup page at FTDNA (no deep clade test from FTDNA) > > > Your Haplogroup (&) Tests R1b1 P25+" > > > > > > He then compares his results to a cousin who took the full deep clade > > test. > > > > > > "An R1b1* haplogroup page (one of my “cousins”) > > > Your Haplogroup (&) Tests > > > R1b1 M173+ M207+ M343+ P25+ M126- M153- M160- M18- M222- M269- M37- > > > M65- M73- P66- SRY2627-" > > > > > > "Please note that the pluses and minuses agree that P25 was/is > > > universally tested by FTDNA and all subclades are verified as > > > negative except for me as my R1b confirmation test was run prior to > > > the offering of deep clade tests. (EthnoAncestry ran my deep clade > > > tests.) I can not personally attest to what tests by FTDNA are run; > > > but, I remember that several contributors to this digest kvetch > > > about their use of P25." > > > > > > > > > So I do not think these samples are necessarily M222-. Or negative for > > > M269 or L21. They simply haven't been tested since the very early days > > at > > > FTDNA. > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > > > > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message