Thanks, Sandy. I have been working on my basic math and see that I actually miss the modal R-M222 by 8.My kit # is 188933, and I have always liked the Scots. I'll take a closer look at your e-mails later today. Take care. Bob Bob Quinn President&CEO Quinn Specialty Chemical Consultants Partner at Bay Street Investors/Bay Street Partners Co-Chair ACS GCI Manufacturer's Roundtable 27 Langton Lane Newtown Square, Pa, 19073 T:610-331-4920 e-mail:raaq@live.com Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobquinnspecialtychemicals > From: alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 10:34:44 +0100 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] R-M222 off modal matches > > Hi Bob > > If you are kit number 136353 I think I have some interesting information for > you. Here's a clue : I think you are going to have to start practicing you > Scots accent. > > I find kit number 136353 to have 7 misses with the M222 modal over 67 > markers. You have posted that you miss the M222 modal by 7, which is why I > think you may be kit number 136353. The misses are at > > DYS19 15 > DYS439 13 > DYS464c 17 > DYS456 16 > CDYa 39 > CDYb 40 > DYS442 11 > > Of these, DYS19, DYS439 and DYS442 match Ewing 125632 and Ewing 39537. I'm > sure that you match many more Ewings, but these are the ones with the > closest GD, namely a gd of 7 over 67 markers. So. A gd of 7 over 67 markers > including three off-modal matches, which include DYS442=11, the marker with > the highest Ewing specificity. > > In addition, you match a Smith, who I think is a Ewing NPE at a gd of 7, but > this time with 4 off-modal markers instead of 3. > > It's a long story, and no doubt the nay-sayers will have a full go, but I > believe that you are descended from the Mackqueins of Ottir (for that, read > Macewens of Otter), as are (I believe) the Ewings. I'll send you a file > off-list so that you can check your off-modal matches. > > For your interest, I make your TMRCA with Ewing 39537 about 24 generations > back. > > > Sandy > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob Quinn > Sent: 17 October 2011 22:21 > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] R-M222 off modal matches > > > > A good one to look at, I think, Marianne. I am DYS 455=11, however, and > wouldn't be much help. Regards, Bob > Bob Quinn > President&CEO > Quinn Specialty Chemical Consultants > Partner at Bay Street Investors/Bay Street Partners > Co-Chair ACS GCI Manufacturer's Roundtable > > 27 Langton Lane > Newtown Square, Pa, 19073 > T:610-331-4920 > e-mail:raaq@live.com > Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobquinnspecialtychemicals > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:02:21 -0600 > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > From: granoff@zianet.com > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] R-M222 off modal matches > > > > > > I have found a very interesting, and relatively rare, off-modal value > > that is shared by three (possibly more) surname projects that have > > R-M222 folks. > > > > Both the Herring and Heron surname projects, and the Munley/Manley > > surname project have DYS 455=12 for most of their participants. I > > have been in touch with the admin of the Herring project and he has > > tested R-M222 and believes that most of his group is also > > R-M222. Most of the Munley surname project is also R-M222. > > > > In searching, I also found a discussion of DYS 455=12 for the > > "Hopkins/McCabe Cluster" on the R-L21 forum. There appear to be a > > large number of McCabes that have this value, however most of of them > > have NOT been tested for R-M222, and may not be so. There are a > > couple groups where the STR values look like they could be > > R-M222. Most of the McCabes are predicted R-M269. A couple are > > positive for R-L159.2 and a couple are positive for R-L21. > > > > I also found four Scottish R-L21 Fergusons and two R-M222 Dorseys > > with the DYS455=12 value. > > > > DYS 455=12 supposedly occurs less than 1% of the time. The most > > common value is DYS 455=11. > > > > I know of no connection between these surnames, and would appreciate > > hearing if there is one. The Munleys are strictly County Mayo > > descendants, although there is supposedly a connection to the Doherty > > clan in the 16th century that is fairly widely accepted. > > > > I am unfamiliar with the origins of the other surnames. Still - > > DYS455 is one of the slowest-moving markers (mutation rate = > > 0.00016), so this might be one STR to look at. > > > > I would appreciate anyone thoughts on this. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Marianne Manley Granoff > > Project Administrator > > Munley/Manley Surname Project > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message