David, I definitely think some of the smaller clusters that have been identified in the M222 clade should be analysed via WTY. I suggested a year or two ago, that testing the NW cluster (main group) probably wouldn't yield much, and it seems I'm right. This is because it's so uniform and young. However testing the Nith Valley Cluster (Greer, Grierson, Milligan), or people like myself in Southern Midlands of Ireland (Dunne, Dalton) might prove fruitful, as would testing a representative Breifne (O'Rielly, O'Rourke) member. I would be in favor of setting up a fund to support the cost of doing this. Cheers, Paul On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:16 AM, J David Grierson <grierson@melbpc.org.au>wrote: > Paul, > I, too, have been considering the WTY, but I also understood that no > knew tests would be programmed for some time - next year perhaps. I > thought that only one test had been done, however I see that the WTY > site has been amended to state three tests complete. > But on the face of it, all those names are very "Irish". I think we have > a case for a "Scots" descendant to undergo the test as well, if only to > see whether those with distinctive off-modal characteristics also carry > a family SNP. > David > > > On 11/10/2011 12:48 AM, pabloburns@comcast.net wrote: > > I am sure we all were hoping that with all the new SNPs being > discovered, one would be identified to divide M222. Apparently, no such > luck. I asked David Reynolds if it would help for me to take the WTY test. > David replied that only one M222 has been tested, but the young age of M222 > may mean no additional SNP. He suggested I wait until the current backlog of > WTY orders is run through, and after 2-3 months he will look at this again. > > I then queried Kirsten Saxe, and she replied that the Finch2 data > indicates that three M222 have been tested--137003 (Mannion), 17624, and > 192014. Kirsten did not have names for the latter two, but I found 192014 > (McNeely) on the M222 project list. I could not identify 17624. > > Can anyone confirm that three M222s have been WTY tested with no new > SNPs discovered? If only one has been tested, I am willing to hazard the > $750 cost, but if three have been tested with no additional info discovered, > perhaps I should wait for a future increase in the size of the test. > > Paul > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1522/3943 - Release Date: 10/07/11 > > > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm already on record saying I would be willing to contribute toward a WTY, but it is worth reconfirming it. I do think, however, that the fund should wait until a participant has been accepted into the WTY program. There is always the chance that an applicant could be rejected. I'm not sure it there is a mechanism to return the contributions in that case. Although I don't suppose I would mind if my contribution went toward a few M222 SNP tests instead. Susan Milligan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Conroy" <pconroy63@gmail.com> To: <grierson@melbpc.org.au>; <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [R-M222] M222 and WTY > David, > > I definitely think some of the smaller clusters that have been identified > in > the M222 clade should be analysed via WTY. > > I suggested a year or two ago, that testing the NW cluster (main group) > probably wouldn't yield much, and it seems I'm right. This is because it's > so uniform and young. However testing the Nith Valley Cluster (Greer, > Grierson, Milligan), or people like myself in Southern Midlands of Ireland > (Dunne, Dalton) might prove fruitful, as would testing a representative > Breifne (O'Rielly, O'Rourke) member. > > I would be in favor of setting up a fund to support the cost of doing > this. > > Cheers, > Paul

Susan and Paul, Acceptance into the WTY is not an issue - I've been "accepted" for a long time, see 7874 in the "NW Irish", and I contributed $50 years ago as seed money, so presumably I'm still in credit to that extent. The seed hasn't sprouted yet! David Grierson On 12/10/2011 4:50 AM, Susan Milligan wrote: > I'm already on record saying I would be willing to contribute toward a WTY, > but it is worth reconfirming it. I do think, however, that the fund should > wait until a participant has been accepted into the WTY program. There is > always the chance that an applicant could be rejected. I'm not sure it > there is a mechanism to return the contributions in that case. Although I > don't suppose I would mind if my contribution went toward a few M222 SNP > tests instead. > > Susan Milligan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Conroy"<pconroy63@gmail.com> > To:<grierson@melbpc.org.au>;<dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:56 AM > Subject: Re: [R-M222] M222 and WTY > > >> David, >> >> I definitely think some of the smaller clusters that have been identified >> in >> the M222 clade should be analysed via WTY. >> >> I suggested a year or two ago, that testing the NW cluster (main group) >> probably wouldn't yield much, and it seems I'm right. This is because it's >> so uniform and young. However testing the Nith Valley Cluster (Greer, >> Grierson, Milligan), or people like myself in Southern Midlands of Ireland >> (Dunne, Dalton) might prove fruitful, as would testing a representative >> Breifne (O'Rielly, O'Rourke) member. >> >> I would be in favor of setting up a fund to support the cost of doing >> this. >> >> Cheers, >> Paul > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1522/3943 - Release Date: 10/07/11 > >

Greetings, All, Apparently I am M222, according to Family Tree, but I have no idea as to what WTY could be. Not that I need a detailed explanation, but what is WTY and what could WTY determine? If WTY indeed is relevant, then I would be glad to make a financial contribution. Thanks! Doug On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:21 PM, J David Grierson <grierson@melbpc.org.au> wrote: > Susan and Paul, > Acceptance into the WTY is not an issue - I've been "accepted" for a > long time, see 7874 in the "NW Irish", and I contributed $50 years ago > as seed money, so presumably I'm still in credit to that extent. The > seed hasn't sprouted yet! > David Grierson > > > On 12/10/2011 4:50 AM, Susan Milligan wrote: >> I'm already on record saying I would be willing to contribute toward a WTY, >> but it is worth reconfirming it.  I do think, however, that the fund should >> wait until a participant has been accepted into the WTY program.  There is >> always the chance that an applicant could be rejected.  I'm not sure it >> there is a mechanism to return the contributions in that case.  Although I >> don't suppose I would mind if my contribution went toward a few M222 SNP >> tests instead. >> >> Susan Milligan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Conroy"<pconroy63@gmail.com> >> To:<grierson@melbpc.org.au>;<dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:56 AM >> Subject: Re: [R-M222] M222 and WTY >> >> >>> David, >>> >>> I definitely think some of the smaller clusters that have been identified >>> in >>> the M222 clade should be analysed via WTY. >>> >>> I suggested a year or two ago, that testing the NW cluster (main group) >>> probably wouldn't yield much, and it seems I'm right. This is because it's >>> so uniform and young. However testing the Nith Valley Cluster (Greer, >>> Grierson, Milligan), or people like myself in Southern Midlands of Ireland >>> (Dunne, Dalton) might prove fruitful, as would testing a representative >>> Breifne (O'Rielly, O'Rourke) member. >>> >>> I would be in favor of setting up a fund to support the cost of doing >>> this. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Paul >>   R1b1c7 Research and Links: >> >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1522/3943 - Release Date: 10/07/11 >> >> > >  R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >