Hi Bob You posted this email a few weeks ago went I was away on holiday. There are a couple of things I would like to add here, which are important to this research. You will recall a few years back I submitted to Anatole Klyosov a set of STRs that involved the Ua Dochartaighs and Amuliganes to test out a possible age between both surnames. This was done on the basis that both geographically had a long attachment to the areas in which they originated, one in the Castlefin area of Co. Donegal, and the other in Nithsdale, Scotland. More importantly, both had strong histories with at least one testee from each surname demonstrating a proven paper trial pre-dating 1600 and a history going back to at least the 13th century. At the time, it was already known there were subdivisions within the Ua Dochartaigh Clan with one major group following a set of STRs close to the chief line of Ua Dochartaigh traced from the line of Sir Cathir O'Doherty (killed in 1608) and from him back to Domnall carragh Ua Dochartaigh (c.1202). Only this set of STRs was used in the original study and not the other STRs outside of this one. >From reading your email below, I understand you are kit no 29142 for DF85+ with DF97+ downstream of DF85+. Your test is particularly significant and will also be important to all those in that subclade identified within the M222 Haplogroup by the SNP DF85+. Your test shares markers close to the chief line, which I am happy to discuss in more detail privately. It would be beneficial if others from within this branch of the Ua Dochartaigh could be tested to confirm the presence of DF85+ and if possible, someone near to the present chief line tested again. Regards Alan In a message dated 22/10/2013 07:49:06 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I was surprised to find out my results (Doherty kit 29142) for DF97 and DF85 were available so soon. I ordered the tests on September 20 and the last time I checked, FTDNA indicated my results were due back around November 15. Yet the results are back already. I find it interesting that results for Doherty kit 29142 were FF97+ and DF85+ while results for Daugherty kit 073633 were DF85- and DF97-, and yet both kits are M222+ (R1b1a2a1a1b4b). In addition to both kits 29142 and 073633 being M222+, they have both have test results at the 111 Marker level, yet they are at an "absolute" genetic distance (ABS GD value) of 23 from each other at the 111 Marker level. Kit 29142 matches 13 other Doherty Surname Group participants at the 111 Marker level with a GD of 10 or less (one at GD7, four at GD8, four at GD9 and four ad GD10). Of the 221 YDNA participants in the Doherty Surname Group, there are 110 participants who have the combination of a variation of the Doherty surname and are M222+. While I would like to know more about what DF85+/- and DF97+/- mean, it is obvious these test results may help define further subgroupings within the Doherty Surname Group. Bob Doherty FTDNA Doherty Surname Group co-administrator Kit 29142 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message