The purpose of what I'm doing is not to maintain an up to date tree of M222. That is a good thing and someone like yourself is helping us all by doing the comparisons and drawing the inferred phylogenetic tree. What I'm doing in the R1b-L21_Haplotypes spreadsheet is coming Y STRs and Y SNPs (from multiple sources) into one place to be more easily analyzed with more specific geographic origin information, etc. You could think of it as a combined super combo Y STR Classic + Y DNA SNP project report with SNPs from Chromo 2 (when I can figure this out) report that is sortable and selectable by surname, county, country, off-modal signature, etc. The proper haplogroup assignments are made according to whatever ISOGG + draft tree info I have available. I never look at the project screens anymore. I just copy the stuff into a spreadsheet where I can actually manage it tally totals, subtotals, averages, modals, genetic distances, etc. The purpose is just to help people get more value out of all this stuff and encourage more people to test. Some people use the data to draw networking diagrams. Some use it to try to split surname lineages. Some use it for SNP testing guidance. Perhaps we can proceed in this way - Can you combine all of the relevant SNPs (defining/terminal) plus negative downstream SNPs into one spreadsheet for M222 people (with both their Chromo2 and FTDNA kit(or Ysearch) ID's one row at a time? I can easily merge it into the larger L21 spreadsheet with all of the STRs and other stuff. Regards, Mike W On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Iain Kennedy <[email protected]>wrote: > Mike, > > Yes but I've already kindly offered to do that for everyone here anyway, > and add them to the correct location in my M222 diagram - only fair since I > was the main person who kept telling everyone to buy the Raw version of the > test. :-) > > Iain > > > > > Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 09:41:29 -0600 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 Raw Results s588 > > > > Iain, > > > > Do you have a copy of what the "signature" looks like? or whatever they > are > > calling the list of positive(derived) SNPs. Is it something you can > > copy/paste into an email like this? Essentially, that would be the > > equivalent of an FTDNA project Y DNA SNP report display. I have mechanism > > to read those strings and filter them to come up with the "defining" (or > > terminal) SNP and other relevant SNPs in a logical sequence. > > > > Regards, > > Mike W > > > > Mike W > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Iain Kennedy < > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Walter, > > > > > > If you ordered the raw version you can download a .txt file whose > format I > > > described last month in this post: > > > > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DNA-R1B1C7/2013-10/1381923024 > > > > > > and that is what we examine. You get it by logging in to your account > and > > > clicking the Download button. I can't say for sure that Steve has a > > > downloadable file (yet). If he doesn't he can email > > > [email protected] and they should be able to send it him. > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 00:02:57 -0500 > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 Raw Results s588 > > > > > > > > Exactly what do your results look like? What is the format? What > data > > > > are you given? How do you access it? Are the designations like S588 > > > > meaningful such as ATCG (pick one), derived or ancestral), base pair > > > > indexed, or rs number indexed? > > > > > > > > Was the terminal SNP all that you were given back? > > > > > > > > I am very interested in running a extended Y-SNP test to compare > against > > > > Steve Lominac, whom I spoke to earlier this evening. But Steve has > seen > > > > no data from his test. Apparently it was run through Sandy > Patterson, > > > > but Steve has not received access to his data file nor his data. > > > > > > > > I match Steve 104/111 Y-DNA and we are both SNP tested for R-M222. > There > > > > is a complicated Gordian knot of Freemans, Lominacs, Gills, Sudduth, > and > > > > Nutters all of who are close Y-matches and all of whom have some > sort of > > > > connection to the area between present day Culpepper (formerly > > > > Fairfield) Culpepper Co, Virginia and Warrenton, Fauquier County > > > > Virginia. My family tradition is that we are of Irish descent, > though > > > > my earliest known ancestor is a Samuel Freeman b ~1760 +/- whose > parents > > > > and connection to Ireland are unknown at present. > > > > > > > > I am most interested in comparing SNPs with Steve who so far seems > to be > > > > ancestral for R-M222, and am considering the Big Y test at FTDNA, > which > > > > seems to be another "pig-in-a-poke" for the moment though it is a > > > > Y-sequence test and not a chip test, know one knows what data or what > > > > format a customer will get for his money. I suspect that that test > is > > > > in beta, though FTDNA has not used that language, but they have not > been > > > > forthcoming with any details either. And we know that they recently > > > > fired the guy, Thomas Krahn, who built their in-house laboratory and > > > > designed the Big Y test! > > > > > > > > I am most interested to see where this all leads and what we can > learn > > > > possibly about our Irish origins. > > > > > > > > So what does your data return from BritainsDNA Chromo2 consist of and > > > > what does it look like? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Walter Freeman > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/15/2013 2:42 PM, Robert McBride wrote: > > > > > Just received my Chromo2 results and my terminal snp is s588. > > > > > > > > > > Earliest known ancestor Arthur McBride, lived Rampark, Cooley > > > peninsula, died aged 92 in 1879 in Dundalk, County Louth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >