Hi Bernard, Genetically I am closely associated with the Doherty clann, including historical links between what apparently is my family and theirs, some of the members of my apparent family are known to have migrated by boat to the southern and to the inner Hebrides islands, and my haplogroup, L21+, M222+, R1b1a2a1a1b4b can be found there, too. And I would be delighted to hear of any such results you might discover! Doug On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Susan Hedeen < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear Allene, > Yes, you should order df97 for your df85+ result to see if it is +or- > for df97. > Both Milliken/Milligan results are df85 neg; hence what we may be > looking at between the similarities in haplotypes between these McAdam > and the one Milligan group is probably due to haplotype convergence. > This happens and due to the random mutation process of the alleles. > > That said, other Milliken/Milligan from both branches -- haplotypes > diverse from those of the two who have tested already-- should test for > df85. The same must be said for the O'Doherty groups--I noticed that > there is at least one more testing for df85. Keep in mind that those of > these large surname groups with haplotypes diverse from those who have > already tested should investigate at least df85 to make certain that > these surname lineages are not split by the SNPs. We already know that > there are splits in the O'Dochartaigh; there are splits in the McConechy > groups... > > The Gallowglass story is interesting. Save that and the citation > reference, please. Susan Hedeen > > On 11/13/2013 1:24 PM, Allene Goforth wrote: > > Should I now order DF97? Have any of the Milligans ordered DF97 yet? > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> Genetically I am closely associated with the Doherty clann, including > historical links between what apparently is my family and theirs, some of > the members of my apparent family are known to have migrated by boat to the > southern and to the inner Hebrides islands, and my haplogroup, L21+, M222+, > R1b1a2a1a1b4b can be found there, too. > > And I would be delighted to hear of any such results you might discover! Doug, I have an interest in the O'Muirgheasain. Irish names have been subject contraction, so O'Muirgheasain could easily contracted to O'Muirgheain which in turn can be anglicized as Morgan, hence my personal interest. As for other Morrison origins there are the MacGillamoire from county Down. So you in the same boat as myself, with multiple origins for your surname. The hope I have is that Chromo2 will allow the identification of kinship groups within the broader Connachta. Quick primer of Irish Surname: Typically Irish surnames come from the first-name of a male ancestor. This leads to multiple surnames based on common first-names, yet typically from different kinship groups. Additionally these Irish Surname are typically use either the diminutive or the plural form. (I have never found out why these forms are so common.) So for example if the ancestor was Murchad you can expect his descendants to use the surnames - MacMurchadha anglicized as MacMorhcoe and more (from plural form) MacMurchaidh anglicized as MacMurphy and more  (from plural form) MacMurchadhain anglicized as MacMorgan and more (from diminutive form) The reason I raise this is that O'Muirgheasain is diminutive form of last-name from the first-name Muirgheas. Muirgheas also gives rise to the plural surname O'Muirgheasaigh or anglicized O'Morrissey. So this means you also need to consider the Ui Fiachrach O'Morrissey of Sligo as a possible origin of your surname. Now your surname could be Ui Briuin (MacGillamoire of Down), Ui Fiachrach (O'Muirgheasaigh of Sligo) or Cenel Eoghain (O'Muirgheasain of Derry). For O'Muirgheasain of Derry I find no definite assertion that they are Cenel Eoghain. However I have found this pedigree in O'Clery's genealogies that suggests this:     Genelaigh o Muirghiusa Aedh m Muiredhaigh m Donngusa m Duib uinsenn m Mail eoin m Ainbeith m Fogartaigh m Mael roid m Fir moir m Muirghuisa (a raiter an sloinnedh) m Cobhtaigh m Tnuthghail m Duibh doire m Sarain m Tighernaigh m Muiredaigh m Eoghain. and above: Senchsus Cloinne Tigernaigh Insdo Tighernach m Muiredaigh mic Eogain m Neill. Tighernach dano .iiii. mic lais .i. Tairceltrach (a quo .h. Ulgoba), Gnia (a quo .h. Becan ocus .h. Odhrain), Saran (da mac lais .i. Domhongog toraighe et Dub doire a quo .h. Mhuirghiusa ocus .h. Conugan): Daithgheal, an cethramad mac do Tighernach, .ii. mac laiside .i. Corran et Ruadan. So most likely O'Muirgheasain of Derry are Cenel Tigernaigh of Cenel Eoghain. Now we need wait for the DNA markers to identify the Ui Briuin, Ui Fiachrach and Cenel Tigernaigh branches.