I beg your pardon, but I'm asking this now (again?) because of a message I received Thursday.  (I've been trying to read and understand the messages from this list for at least a couple of months, maybe three.)  I'm seeking suggestions about which test, if any, would be the most useful to me and beneficial to the (haplo)group while keeping an eye on cost efficiency.  A couple of months ago I was advised to wait a while and now am wondering if I've waited long enough. Based on my 67-marker test (kit 246162), FTDNA tells me I'm R-M269 (R1b1a2).   But I have been assured that I'm actually R-M222 (R1b1a2a1a1b4b), so much so that I was encouraged to join this group.  I'm in Group 1 in the Cannon Surname Project.  To the best of my knowledge, my most distant ancestor, John Cannon, was born in Dover, Kent, England in 1712 and came to South Carolina on the ship Minerva in 1730 as an indentured servant.  His younger brother Daniel came over here some years later. 1. FTDNA suggests 67-to-111 upgrade ($109). 2. FTDNA offers me these (and many other) advanced SNPs below M269:  L23, L150, L51, P310, P312, L21, M222 ($??  Could I do *just* the M222?  They don't seem to offer me any below M222, or else I don't know where to look for them.) 3. Chromo2 (Which test?  I've already done mtDNA and Family Finder.) 4. Geno 2.0 ($160. About to be replaced?) 5. FTDNA Big Y ($495 through Nov 30.  Stretches my budget quite a bit.) 6. Full Genome ($1250) is beyond my budget. Separate question, please.  I wonder what test, if any, might be of more benefit to science if I order it for my relative who has been tested to 37 markers and has no matches at any level -- zip, zero, zilch, nada.  (He is I2b1, M-223, kit 293061.)  I don't know how uncommon it is for a man not to have any yDNA matches.  (I also wonder if I ought to order the Family Finder for him.)  His great-grandfather was orphaned by the Chicago Fire of 1871.  The surname is Brown.  (This would be FTDNA, since they already have his sample.) Thank you very much for your consideration. Ed Cannon - Austin, Texas, USA

Dear Ed, You did ask the question a while back. There is a Cannon in your section of your surname project who indeed has SNP tested positive for M222, and your haplotype is consistent w/those in your group and the group looks well placed. Everything considered w/desired most info and cost effectiveness as well as wanting to afford another test for someone else, you may consider Chromo2. You would want the BritainsDNA 129 pound sterling raw data option which with currency conversion would amount to about $200.00. For the other fellow I2b1, these I fellows seem very interested in the FTDNA BigY, and if you are going to do that for him, I'd order previous to Nov 30 because right now the cost is $495.00 which will go up if you miss the sale. Everything being equal with the considerations you post below, those options may be the most useful for you. Susan Hedeen On 11/22/2013 3:15 AM, Ed Cannon wrote: > I beg your pardon, but I'm asking this now (again?) because of a message I > received Thursday. (I've been trying to read and understand the messages > from this list for at least a couple of months, maybe three.) I'm seeking > suggestions about which test, if any, would be the most useful to me and > beneficial to the (haplo)group while keeping an eye on cost efficiency. A > couple of months ago I was advised to wait a while and now am wondering if > I've waited long enough. > > Based on my 67-marker test (kit 246162), FTDNA tells me I'm R-M269 (R1b1a2). > But I have been assured that I'm actually R-M222 (R1b1a2a1a1b4b), so much > so that I was encouraged to join this group. I'm in Group 1 in the Cannon > Surname Project. To the best of my knowledge, my most distant ancestor, > John Cannon, was born in Dover, Kent, England in 1712 and came to South > Carolina on the ship Minerva in 1730 as an indentured servant. His younger > brother Daniel came over here some years later. > > 1. FTDNA suggests 67-to-111 upgrade ($109). > > 2. FTDNA offers me these (and many other) advanced SNPs below M269: L23, > L150, L51, P310, P312, L21, M222 ($?? Could I do *just* the M222? They > don't seem to offer me any below M222, or else I don't know where to look > for them.) > > 3. Chromo2 (Which test? I've already done mtDNA and Family Finder.) > > 4. Geno 2.0 ($160. About to be replaced?) > > 5. FTDNA Big Y ($495 through Nov 30. Stretches my budget quite a bit.) > > 6. Full Genome ($1250) is beyond my budget. > > Separate question, please. I wonder what test, if any, might be of more > benefit to science if I order it for my relative who has been tested to 37 > markers and has no matches at any level -- zip, zero, zilch, nada. (He is > I2b1, M-223, kit 293061.) I don't know how uncommon it is for a man not > to have any yDNA matches. (I also wonder if I ought to order the Family > Finder for him.) His great-grandfather was orphaned by the Chicago Fire > of 1871. The surname is Brown. (This would be FTDNA, since they already > have his sample.) > > Thank you very much for your consideration. > > Ed Cannon - Austin, Texas, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Iain, Aha! So a revived Deep Clade test could be in the works and, given that SNP testing seems to be a popular item these days, it seems possible that the new DC test could include new features, not so much a revival but perhaps as a from-the-ground-up overhaul. Of course, that is only speculation on my part, but it just might be worth waiting to see what the new DC test includes. And (more speculation on my part) it might even be offered at an "introductory" price. OK, enough speculation! Doug On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Susan Hedeen < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear Ed, > You did ask the question a while back. There is a Cannon in your > section of your surname project who indeed has SNP tested positive for > M222, and your haplotype is consistent w/those in your group and the > group looks well placed. Everything considered w/desired most info and > cost effectiveness as well as wanting to afford another test for someone > else, you may consider Chromo2. You would want the BritainsDNA 129 > pound sterling raw data option which with currency conversion would > amount to about $200.00. > > For the other fellow I2b1, these I fellows seem very interested in the > FTDNA BigY, and if you are going to do that for him, I'd order previous > to Nov 30 because right now the cost is $495.00 which will go up if you > miss the sale. > > Everything being equal with the considerations you post below, those > options may be the most useful for you. Susan Hedeen > > On 11/22/2013 3:15 AM, Ed Cannon wrote: > > I beg your pardon, but I'm asking this now (again?) because of a message > I > > received Thursday. (I've been trying to read and understand the messages > > from this list for at least a couple of months, maybe three.) I'm > seeking > > suggestions about which test, if any, would be the most useful to me and > > beneficial to the (haplo)group while keeping an eye on cost efficiency. > A > > couple of months ago I was advised to wait a while and now am wondering > if > > I've waited long enough. > > > > Based on my 67-marker test (kit 246162), FTDNA tells me I'm R-M269 > (R1b1a2). > > But I have been assured that I'm actually R-M222 (R1b1a2a1a1b4b), so much > > so that I was encouraged to join this group. I'm in Group 1 in the > Cannon > > Surname Project. To the best of my knowledge, my most distant ancestor, > > John Cannon, was born in Dover, Kent, England in 1712 and came to South > > Carolina on the ship Minerva in 1730 as an indentured servant. His > younger > > brother Daniel came over here some years later. > > > > 1. FTDNA suggests 67-to-111 upgrade ($109). > > > > 2. FTDNA offers me these (and many other) advanced SNPs below M269: L23, > > L150, L51, P310, P312, L21, M222 ($?? Could I do *just* the M222? They > > don't seem to offer me any below M222, or else I don't know where to look > > for them.) > > > > 3. Chromo2 (Which test? I've already done mtDNA and Family Finder.) > > > > 4. Geno 2.0 ($160. About to be replaced?) > > > > 5. FTDNA Big Y ($495 through Nov 30. Stretches my budget quite a bit.) > > > > 6. Full Genome ($1250) is beyond my budget. > > > > Separate question, please. I wonder what test, if any, might be of more > > benefit to science if I order it for my relative who has been tested to > 37 > > markers and has no matches at any level -- zip, zero, zilch, nada. (He > is > > I2b1, M-223, kit 293061.) I don't know how uncommon it is for a man not > > to have any yDNA matches. (I also wonder if I ought to order the Family > > Finder for him.) His great-grandfather was orphaned by the Chicago Fire > > of 1871. The surname is Brown. (This would be FTDNA, since they already > > have his sample.) > > > > Thank you very much for your consideration. > > > > Ed Cannon - Austin, Texas, USA > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >