Mr. McGee 200080 by the haplotype appears to be df97+; but we've had surprises. Mr. McGee may want to order df97 to see.. 4:dark30...I couldn't help myself...I had to look at some stuff. The df85+ folks now have a modal and it is barely 1 off the M222 modal--at cdya=37. The TMRCA has significantly gone up and is at 1875+/- 280 ybd mutation count a standard step count. I didn't complete the infinite allele count yet, but it will not be that much less. There well may be some df97+ in this group, so those who are df85+ and have not ordered df97, please do so. The df85+df97+ group is staying stable at 1350+/-220 years. With better representation of df97, what we should see with the df85+ only group is a bit younger age, and it may cause the df85+df97+ group to age a little bit possibly as the greater bulk of that group is still the Ashley/Duncan/McConechy group; hence having the group balanced out will help tremendously. None the less, df85 is going to show an age not much younger than M222. Getting the Chromo2 results for those who are df85 neg. I hope will add some clarity here as there are SNPs above df85 and looks like some brother snps and certainly some below. I'm done for the wee hours--I need to go to work in about 4 hours; I'll look at this again tomorrow night if I don't fall asleep first. Susan