I have a number of articles and surname lists of these Ulster migrants, if anyone is interested. John Sent from my Nokia Lumia phone -----Original Message----- From: "Bernie Donahue" <[email protected]> Sent: ‎11/‎11/‎2013 9:13 AM To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [R-M222] DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 7, Issue 423 Circa 1796 there was conflict among the emerging Catholic weavers in Ulster and the local Protestant weavers.  Following a clash known historically as the Battle of the Diamond, many Catholic families were forcibly expelled from Ulster to Mayo by the new Orange Order.  Given that these expelled families were native Irish from Northwest Ireland, there could well have been many M222s among them.  This would have created M222 clusters in Mayo.  See, e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Diamond   Bernie Donahue Maireann croí éadrom i bhfad (A Light Heart Lives Longer) From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 6:11 AM >Subject: DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 7, Issue 423 > > > > >Today's Topics: > >  1. Re: M222 Could Originate in? (Iain Kennedy) >  2. Third Big Y order from M222+ (Linda McKee) >  3. M222 in Mayo ([email protected]) >  4. Re: M222 in Mayo (Iain Kennedy) >  5. Re: M222 in Mayo (Rob McFadden) >  6. Re: DF85 (Linda McKee) >  7. Re: M222 in Mayo (Paul ? Du??ai?) >  8. Re: M222 Could Originate in? (Mitch) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:42:28 +0000 >From: Iain Kennedy <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [R-M222] M222 Could Originate in? >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 00:00:11 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [R-M222] M222 Could Originate in? >> >> > >> > The quoted remark "There will be 21 new SNPs under M222 and all of them are tested on the NatGeo Geno 2.0 test." doesn't make any sense to me at all. We would have seen them by now!? Who is he saying found these SNPs and where? >> > >> >> A copy of Dr. Michael's Hammer's map of the new SNPs downstream from M222 has been published at: >> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151949352643444&set=gm.621729794551000&type=1&theater >> >> >> I read the SNPs as: >> >> PF3297 >> PF3988 >> F3952 >> F3024 >> CTS8007 >> M226 >> F499 >> L196 >> Z70 >> PF2026 >> CTS8580 plus PF1909 under >> CTS3771 >> CTS10488 >> F1400 >> CTS9501 >> PF910 >> PF7301 >> F3637 >> CTS6 >> F1636 >> CTS11548 >> >Well spotted Bernard. I checked my raw Geno file and these are all in it except CTS8007. The image isn't quite good enough to be sure that's what it says though (there is a CTS8002 listed for example).. Given the large number of M222 people who took the Geno test though, it seems unlikely these are significant since no-one we know of has had a 'hit' so far. > >Iain >                        > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 03:45:51 -0600 >From: Linda McKee <[email protected]> >Subject: [R-M222] Third Big Y order from M222+ >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >> larry williams >> >> Kit Number: 229652 >> >> Test: Big Y > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:47:37 +0000 (UTC) >From: [email protected] >Subject: [R-M222] M222 in Mayo >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: >    <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >Looking at my often hard to read notes, I do not find (nor recall) that Dr. Vilar said M222 had the highest diversity in Mayo. Frequency perhaps. I think he said they tested 105 men and 80% were M222. This should be clarified on the Natioonal Genographic site and blog soon. > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:51:44 +0000 >From: Iain Kennedy <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [R-M222] M222 in Mayo >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >80% is a staggering figure. But on the subject of Mayo I was under the impression they have done a special field trip there as opposed to neutral sampling by county all over the country? I could be wrong though. > >Iain > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:47:37 +0000 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [R-M222] M222 in Mayo >> >> Looking at my often hard to read notes, I do not find (nor recall) that Dr. Vilar said M222 had the highest diversity in Mayo. Frequency perhaps. I think he said they tested 105 men and 80% were M222. This should be clarified on the Natioonal Genographic site and blog soon. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >                        > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:31:27 -0500 >From: Rob McFadden <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [R-M222] M222 in Mayo >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; >    format="flowed" > >Given Co. Mayo's history, I can't see how any meaningful conclusions  >can be drawn without examining the surnames of those tested.  Mayo saw  >significant immigration from Ulster over the years followed by  >significant post-famine emigration.  The population of the county in  >1971 was 28 percent of the 1841 population, more than a 70 percent drop! > >Quoting [email protected]: > >> Looking at my often hard to read notes, I do not find (nor recall)  >> that Dr. Vilar said M222 had the highest diversity in Mayo.  >> Frequency perhaps. I think he said they tested 105 men and 80% were  >> M222. This should be clarified on the Natioonal Genographic site and  >> blog soon. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to  >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without  >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 05:34:51 -0600 >From: Linda McKee <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [R-M222] DF85 >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hello Larry, > >I am very sorry about missing your order and have not a clue as to why >you were still listed in the regular group listing. > >Somehow I missed you  ;-( > >But, now I have found you and you are listed as Pending DF85 and/or DF97 >  ;-) on our excel. > >Linda > >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 16:50:25 -0800 (PST) >> From: Lawrence Dill <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [R-M222] DF85 >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: >>     <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> I guess I was accidently removed from the pending list. >> My DF85 results are expected on Dec 2. >> Lawrence Dill, Kit # 73271 > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:35:09 +0000 >From: Paul ? Du??ai? <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [R-M222] M222 in Mayo >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: >    <[email protected]om> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Let alone the fact that it's home to surnames with origins in U? Fhiachrach >and U? Bhri?in, both of which appear to be M222 dominated (the >semi-mythical half brothers of Niall) > >-Paul >(DF41+) > > >On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Rob McFadden ><[email protected]>wrote: > >> Given Co. Mayo's history, I can't see how any meaningful conclusions >> can be drawn without examining the surnames of those tested.  Mayo saw >> significant immigration from Ulster over the years followed by >> significant post-famine emigration.  The population of the county in >> 1971 was 28 percent of the 1841 population, more than a 70 percent drop! >> >> Quoting [email protected]: >> >> > Looking at my often hard to read notes, I do not find (nor recall) >> > that Dr. Vilar said M222 had the highest diversity in Mayo. >> > Frequency perhaps. I think he said they tested 105 men and 80% were >> > M222. This should be clarified on the Natioonal Genographic site and >> > blog soon. >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 8 >Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:11:00 -0800 (PST) >From: Mitch <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [R-M222] M222 Could Originate in? >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Message-ID: >    <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >Hi All, >? >? >I'm the Mitchell with the F3952+ result. In my never ending quest to understand all of this, what is it about this result that makes it interesting? Has anyone else had the same result? Have we learned anything new about this? I?am being tested for DF85. Anything else I should be doing at this point? >? >Thanks! >Eric? > >From: Paul ? Du??ai? <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:11 PM >Subject: Re: [R-M222] M222 Could Originate in? > > >PF3297 -- shows up in Haplogroup G (see Ireland project) >PF3988 -- show up in Haplogroup I (see Ireland project) >F3952 -- shows up in M222+ in Ireland Project (Mitchell:? N10119) >Z70 -- shows up in I2a2b (see Ireland Project) >PF1909 -- shows up in E-V12 (see Ireland Project) >PF910 -- shows up in A-M202 (see Ireland Project) >F1636 -- shows up in R1b-Z9 (see Ireland Project) >CTS11548 -- shows up in I-M26 (see Ireland Project) > >You could be looking at unreliable SNP's that have had multiple independent >occurences. The fact that most of them appear in other Haplogroups kinda >bears it out. Interesting to see the F3952+ result for Mitchell. All the >above were from kits that had Geno 2.0 done. > >-Paul >(DF41+) > > > > > > > >On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Bernard Morgan ><[email protected]>wrote: > >> > >> > The quoted remark "There will be 21 new SNPs under M222 and all of them >> are tested on the NatGeo Geno 2.0 test." doesn't make any sense to me at >> all. We would have seen them by now!? Who is he saying found these SNPs and >> where? >> > >> >> A copy of Dr. Michael's Hammer's map of the new SNPs downstream from M222 >> has been published at: >> >> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151949352643444&set=gm.621729794551000&type=1&theater >> >> >> I read the SNPs as: >> >> PF3297 >> PF3988 >> F3952 >> F3024 >> CTS8007 >> M226 >> F499 >> L196 >> Z70 >> PF2026 >> CTS8580 plus PF1909 under >> CTS3771 >> CTS10488 >> F1400 >> CTS9501 >> PF910 >> PF7301 >> F3637 >> CTS6 >> F1636 >> CTS11548 >> >> Which is 21 different branches. However are they really under M222? >> >> For R-L196 (R1b1a2a1a1b3c2, R1b-P312>U152>L2>L196+) is a private SNP for >> the Barton family and seems unrelated to M222 >> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L196/default.aspx?section=ycolorized >> >> And a Z90+ testee was negative for M222. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------ > > > >End of DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 7, Issue 423 >****************************************** > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message