List I have several updates to the M222 tree this evening. Jim Wilson has provided a list of SNPs which he considers phylogenetically equivalent to M222 and are (mostly) on the Chromo2 chip. As the list is now too long to force into a personal name in my tree I have also posted the raw tree diagram he sent me which primarily shows the top level above and below, so it is not a replacement for the whole earlier diagram. There are three features in his new diagram: 1. What appears to be a new hg between S474/DF49 and S193/DF23 called S476 which is not on the ISOGG tree. 2. The new list of M222 equivalents 3. A new SNP below M222 called S7073. I have moved everything at the root of M222 below S7073 but having not seen Steve Lominac's raw file yet I can't confirm that he is positive for it. I am as is Rob McBride too of course. The other change to the diagram, which Rob McBride spotted and neither Jim nor I did is that he is positive for F3952, one of the SNPs we got off Geno 2.0 which previously only a Mitchell was positive for. I have double checked with Jim and he reviewed the raw genotype and agrees with this placement. My checking procedures have been amended accordingly and I have added Mitchell to the diagram too. Upper tree update: http://www.kennedydna.com/S474.jpg Main tree from M222: http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf Iain

What a mutant bunch the R1b folks are. M222 is not very terminal at all anymore, is it??? Will the age of M222 itself need to be adjusted if subordinate SNPs have such a wide variance in STRs? On 19 November 2013 13:20, Iain Kennedy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List > > I have several updates to the M222 tree this evening. Jim Wilson has > provided a list of SNPs which he considers phylogenetically equivalent to > M222 and are (mostly) on the Chromo2 chip. As the list is now too long to > force into a personal name in my tree I have also posted the raw tree > diagram he sent me which primarily shows the top level above and below, so > it is not a replacement for the whole earlier diagram. > > There are three features in his new diagram: > 1. What appears to be a new hg between S474/DF49 and S193/DF23 called S476 > which is not on the ISOGG tree. > 2. The new list of M222 equivalents > 3. A new SNP below M222 called S7073. > > I have moved everything at the root of M222 below S7073 but having not > seen Steve Lominac's raw file yet I can't confirm that he is positive for > it. I am as is Rob McBride too of course. > > The other change to the diagram, which Rob McBride spotted and neither Jim > nor I did is that he is positive for F3952, one of the SNPs we got off Geno > 2.0 which previously only a Mitchell was positive for. I have double > checked with Jim and he reviewed the raw genotype and agrees with this > placement. My checking procedures have been amended accordingly and I have > added Mitchell to the diagram too. > > Upper tree update: > > http://www.kennedydna.com/S474.jpg > > Main tree from M222: > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm assuming some M222+/S7073- have been found in Chromo2.0 results to result in new phylogeny. Otherwise they would have had it equivalent to M222. The new SNP between DF23 and DF49 will be useful for those DF49+ who have tested DF23-, that's for sure! -Paul (DF41+) On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Iain Kennedy <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List > > I have several updates to the M222 tree this evening. Jim Wilson has > provided a list of SNPs which he considers phylogenetically equivalent to > M222 and are (mostly) on the Chromo2 chip. As the list is now too long to > force into a personal name in my tree I have also posted the raw tree > diagram he sent me which primarily shows the top level above and below, so > it is not a replacement for the whole earlier diagram. > > There are three features in his new diagram: > 1. What appears to be a new hg between S474/DF49 and S193/DF23 called S476 > which is not on the ISOGG tree. > 2. The new list of M222 equivalents > 3. A new SNP below M222 called S7073. > > I have moved everything at the root of M222 below S7073 but having not > seen Steve Lominac's raw file yet I can't confirm that he is positive for > it. I am as is Rob McBride too of course. > > The other change to the diagram, which Rob McBride spotted and neither Jim > nor I did is that he is positive for F3952, one of the SNPs we got off Geno > 2.0 which previously only a Mitchell was positive for. I have double > checked with Jim and he reviewed the raw genotype and agrees with this > placement. My checking procedures have been amended accordingly and I have > added Mitchell to the diagram too. > > Upper tree update: > > http://www.kennedydna.com/S474.jpg > > Main tree from M222: > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Iain My interest is in the aspect that might confirm Donegal family's descent from Niall, as tradition suggests. It seems to me that S668 contains very distinctly Donegal names; S588 predominantly Inishowen, Derry and Tyrone names. Most of the other DF85 and DF97 names appear to be alien to northwest Ireland in their origin. —For what it's worth— M. On 19 Nov 2013, at 18:20, Iain Kennedy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List > > I have several updates to the M222 tree this evening. Jim Wilson has > provided a list of SNPs which he considers phylogenetically > equivalent to M222 and are (mostly) on the Chromo2 chip. As the list > is now too long to force into a personal name in my tree I have also > posted the raw tree diagram he sent me which primarily shows the top > level above and below, so it is not a replacement for the whole > earlier diagram. > > There are three features in his new diagram: > 1. What appears to be a new hg between S474/DF49 and S193/DF23 > called S476 which is not on the ISOGG tree. > 2. The new list of M222 equivalents > 3. A new SNP below M222 called S7073. > > I have moved everything at the root of M222 below S7073 but having > not seen Steve Lominac's raw file yet I can't confirm that he is > positive for it. I am as is Rob McBride too of course. > > The other change to the diagram, which Rob McBride spotted and > neither Jim nor I did is that he is positive for F3952, one of the > SNPs we got off Geno 2.0 which previously only a Mitchell was > positive for. I have double checked with Jim and he reviewed the raw > genotype and agrees with this placement. My checking procedures have > been amended accordingly and I have added Mitchell to the diagram too. > > Upper tree update: > > http://www.kennedydna.com/S474.jpg > > Main tree from M222: > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Malcolm I would caution that there is some very skewed sampling in the diagram so far. A lot of the 'Male Something' people were names supplied to Sandy during a discussion about who the Ui Neill names were. And a lot of the DF97 names of course are from Susan's cluster. Some parts of the diagram had groups of Scottish and English names but we haven't gone after their identities. Iain > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:58:55 +0000 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Revised M222 tree > > Iain > > My interest is in the aspect that might confirm Donegal family's > descent from Niall, as tradition suggests. > It seems to me that S668 contains very distinctly Donegal names; S588 > predominantly Inishowen, Derry and Tyrone names. Most of the other > DF85 and DF97 names appear to be alien to northwest Ireland in their > origin. > —For what it's worth— > > M. > On 19 Nov 2013, at 18:20, Iain Kennedy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List > > > > I have several updates to the M222 tree this evening. Jim Wilson has > > provided a list of SNPs which he considers phylogenetically > > equivalent to M222 and are (mostly) on the Chromo2 chip. As the list > > is now too long to force into a personal name in my tree I have also > > posted the raw tree diagram he sent me which primarily shows the top > > level above and below, so it is not a replacement for the whole > > earlier diagram. > > > > There are three features in his new diagram: > > 1. What appears to be a new hg between S474/DF49 and S193/DF23 > > called S476 which is not on the ISOGG tree. > > 2. The new list of M222 equivalents > > 3. A new SNP below M222 called S7073. > > > > I have moved everything at the root of M222 below S7073 but having > > not seen Steve Lominac's raw file yet I can't confirm that he is > > positive for it. I am as is Rob McBride too of course. > > > > The other change to the diagram, which Rob McBride spotted and > > neither Jim nor I did is that he is positive for F3952, one of the > > SNPs we got off Geno 2.0 which previously only a Mitchell was > > positive for. I have double checked with Jim and he reviewed the raw > > genotype and agrees with this placement. My checking procedures have > > been amended accordingly and I have added Mitchell to the diagram too. > > > > Upper tree update: > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com/S474.jpg > > > > Main tree from M222: > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message