Bernard, My bad on two counts: namely: Loughney = Uí Fhiachrach Muaidhe (Mayo) -- Ó LACHTNA—I<http://www.libraryireland.com/names/synopsis-types-surnames.php> —*O Laghna*, Loughney; 'descendant of Lachtna' (grey, dun); the name of a family of the Ui Fiachrach<http://www.libraryireland.com/names/irishclans/ui-fiachrach.php>, who were chiefs of the Two Bacs and of Glen Nephin, in the barony of Tirawley, Co. Mayo; now very rare, having been almost universally replaced by the diminutive form Ó Lachtnáin<http://www.libraryireland.com/names/ol/o-lachtnain.php> , *which see*. -- O'Shaugnessy = DF85- -- Uí Fhiachrach Aidhne. The "Uí Fhiachrach Finn" are not of same dynsty, they belong to the Uí Máine of East-Galway, been descended from a different Fiachrae. The name Fiachra is still used in Ireland to this day (sometimes used as a stereotype "South-Dublin" posh name in satire) -- *An early genealogy of Ui Fiachrach Find* (in *Rawlinson*): Flannacán m. Néill m. Ferchair m. Maclaích m. Condálaich m. Amalgada m. Deinmedaig m. Dímmae m. Laidgneáin m. Máelhuidir m. Áeda m. Fínáin m. Amalgada m. Fiachrach Find m. Bresail m. Maine Mor. *An alternate genealogy of Ui Fiachrach Finn* (in *O'Clery*): Amlaibh m. Mail sechloinn m. Amalgaid m. Concobair m. Ferghusa finn m Flaithbertaigh m. Fintain m Aedha m. *Neachtain* (a quo .h. Neachtain) m. Mail chierr m. Ferghusa (ag comraqicit et .h. Mail faladh) m. Oilealla m. Tnuthgaile m. Morlaqoich m. Con dalaigh m. Amhalgadha m. Fiachra finn m. Bresail m. Maine mhoir m. Echach fir da giall m. Domhnaill m. Iomchadhhae m. Colla fo crith. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/ihm/uimaine.htm What's interesting of course about the Uí Mhaine is that the leading families (Kelly = Ó Ceallaigh) are showing up as DF49+/DF23+/Z2961* (M222-) -Paul (DF41+) -- On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Bernard Morgan <[email protected]>wrote: > Is O'Shaughnessy DF85-? (So recorded at M222 project page for SNP) > > Then with Loughney, Ui Fiachrach Aidne is DF85- and only Lally believed to > be Ui Fiachrach Finn is DF85+? > > > > > > > *36712 --O'Shaughnessy -- DF85* > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Paul, Thanks for the clarification, and a bit more clarification on O'Lachtna / Loughney, Duald MacFirbis states: The O'Lachtna clan was cheiftans of the Two Backs (from Lough Conn to the River Moy), Glen Nephin and Beaudach (area surounding Crossmolina). Other clans associated were MacFirbisigh (now anglicized as Forbes), O'Maoilruaidh [now anglicized as Mulroy], Ard Achadh [now anglicized as Ardagh which is a parish in Tirawley], and O'Cuimin, of Lios Cuimin [Cuimin's Fort - possibly Kilcummin] on the Muaidh [River Moy]. These clans are said to be descendents of Muireadhach, the son of Fergus. At some point O'Lachtna became O'Lachtnain, which was Anglicized to Loftus [in medeval Irish, f had a hard 'ch' sound] and O'Laughlin. After the Cambro-Norman invasion of Mayo, the O'Lachtna cheiftans were pushed out, and at least in the case of Loughneys, settled around Killala. There seems to several O'Lachtnain bishops around Connacht; Loughney's seem to be associated with Saint Cuimín of Kilcummin, as there are several tales about Loughneys and Maughns being stewards of St Cuimín's cursing stone & holy well. John On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Paul Ó Duḃṫaiġ <[email protected]> wrote: > Bernard, > > My bad on two counts: namely: > Loughney = Uí Fhiachrach Muaidhe (Mayo) > > -- > Ó LACHTNA—I< > http://www.libraryireland.com/names/synopsis-types-surnames.php> > —*O Laghna*, Loughney; 'descendant of Lachtna' (grey, dun); the name of a > family of the Ui > Fiachrach<http://www.libraryireland.com/names/irishclans/ui-fiachrach.php > >, > who were chiefs of the Two Bacs and of Glen Nephin, in the barony of > Tirawley, Co. Mayo; now very rare, having been almost universally replaced > by the diminutive form Ó > Lachtnáin<http://www.libraryireland.com/names/ol/o-lachtnain.php> > , *which see*. > > -- > > O'Shaugnessy = DF85- -- Uí Fhiachrach Aidhne. > > The "Uí Fhiachrach Finn" are not of same dynsty, they belong to the Uí > Máine of East-Galway, been descended from a different Fiachrae. The name > Fiachra is still used in Ireland to this day (sometimes used as a > stereotype "South-Dublin" posh name in satire) > > -- > *An early genealogy of Ui Fiachrach Find* (in *Rawlinson*): Flannacán m. > Néill m. Ferchair m. Maclaích m. Condálaich m. Amalgada m. Deinmedaig m. > Dímmae m. Laidgneáin m. Máelhuidir m. Áeda m. Fínáin m. Amalgada m. > Fiachrach Find m. Bresail m. Maine Mor. > > *An alternate genealogy of Ui Fiachrach Finn* (in *O'Clery*): > Amlaibh m. Mail sechloinn m. Amalgaid m. Concobair m. Ferghusa finn m > Flaithbertaigh m. Fintain m Aedha m. *Neachtain* (a quo .h. Neachtain) m. > Mail chierr m. Ferghusa (ag comraqicit et .h. Mail faladh) m. Oilealla m. > Tnuthgaile m. Morlaqoich m. Con dalaigh m. Amhalgadha m. Fiachra finn m. > Bresail m. Maine mhoir m. Echach fir da giall m. Domhnaill m. Iomchadhhae > m. Colla fo crith. > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/ihm/uimaine.htm > > What's interesting of course about the Uí Mhaine is that the leading > families (Kelly = Ó Ceallaigh) are showing up as DF49+/DF23+/Z2961* (M222-) > > > -Paul > (DF41+) > -- > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Bernard Morgan > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Is O'Shaughnessy DF85-? (So recorded at M222 project page for SNP) > > > > Then with Loughney, Ui Fiachrach Aidne is DF85- and only Lally believed > to > > be Ui Fiachrach Finn is DF85+? > > > > > > > > > > > > *36712 --O'Shaughnessy -- DF85* > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >