The Doherty's are supposedly Cinéal Chonaill, with an origin in Donegal, having expanded into the peninsula of Inishowen (Inis Eoghain -- island of Eoghan) in the 14th century. This was possible due to the fact that the Mac Lochlainn had been destroyed as a force within Tír Eoghain (the country of Eoghan) by the resurgence of the Ó Néill family over a century beforehand. Tír Eoghain been the land of the "Cinéal nEoghain". -Paul (DF41+) On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:34 PM, tuulen <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Alan, > > But where did the Doherty clann originate? That could have been in western > Ireland, including Mayo. > > Doug > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:46 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Indeed, there were certainly others before Cromwell and as you right > point > > out, the O'Dochartaighs also had earlier ties with Mayo. It will be > > interesting to learn what has to be said on the 17th, especially, as it > > now looks > > like some of the SNPs used in the study may not be reliable indicators > to > > M222+. > > > > I see the Manley result has come through DF85-, that is worthy of note. > As > > I said before, another branch was already known to exist and this branch > is > > also important. If there is a DF85+ there should be a DF85- in the > > O'Dochartaigh Clan. Some of this will soon become more apparent once > more > > of the > > DF85+ results come through in Scotland and we finally work out that > matrix > > posted by Iain Kennedy. > > > > Also, it will be important to compare your Chromo2 with mine and several > > others, given all the research so far, including that carried out by the > > late > > John McLaughlin, strongly indicates, our two separate branches represent > > the oldest with a common ancestry pre-dating Niall of the Nine Hostages. > > > > Alan > > > > > > In a message dated 12/11/2013 00:42:58 GMT Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > To "Hell or Connaught" was made famous by Cromwell. But even before > > Oliver's time there were migrations from Ulster to Mayo. One > interesting > > one for > > the O'Dochartaigh Clann is the migration of Maonghaile O'Dochartaigh's > > descendants ( Munnelley, Monnellly, Manley) from Donegal to > > Ballymunnelley, > > Ballycastle and Cloontikilla, Mayo prior to 1585. This precedes Cahir > > O'Dochartaigh's rebellion and the Plantation of Ulster. It appears that, > > like > > the McDevitts, the Munnelly/Monnelley/Manley sept may prove to be > another > > branch of the O'Dochartaigh. I have started discussions with Paul > Manley > > investigate this connection and why they migrated to Mayo when they did. > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject > > and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

But my point is the question of just where the Doherty clann could have originated. As a Morrison I am listed on the Doherty project, at 37 markers my having a GD of only 1 outside of the Doherty mainstream while sharing identical haplogroup. And all of my distant genetic relatives are from Connacht, northern Munster and Ulster, including some in Co. Mayo. And that is where the Niall clann is said to have originated. Doug On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Paul Ó Duḃṫaiġ <[email protected]> wrote: > The Doherty's are supposedly Cinéal Chonaill, with an origin in Donegal, > having expanded into the peninsula of Inishowen (Inis Eoghain -- island of > Eoghan) in the 14th century. This was possible due to the fact that the Mac > Lochlainn had been destroyed as a force within Tír Eoghain (the country of > Eoghan) by the resurgence of the Ó Néill family over a century beforehand. > Tír Eoghain been the land of the "Cinéal nEoghain". > > -Paul > (DF41+) > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:34 PM, tuulen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Alan, > > > > But where did the Doherty clann originate? That could have been in > western > > Ireland, including Mayo. > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:46 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Indeed, there were certainly others before Cromwell and as you right > > point > > > out, the O'Dochartaighs also had earlier ties with Mayo. It will be > > > interesting to learn what has to be said on the 17th, especially, as > it > > > now looks > > > like some of the SNPs used in the study may not be reliable indicators > > to > > > M222+. > > > > > > I see the Manley result has come through DF85-, that is worthy of note. > > As > > > I said before, another branch was already known to exist and this > branch > > is > > > also important. If there is a DF85+ there should be a DF85- in the > > > O'Dochartaigh Clan. Some of this will soon become more apparent once > > more > > > of the > > > DF85+ results come through in Scotland and we finally work out that > > matrix > > > posted by Iain Kennedy. > > > > > > Also, it will be important to compare your Chromo2 with mine and > several > > > others, given all the research so far, including that carried out by > the > > > late > > > John McLaughlin, strongly indicates, our two separate branches > represent > > > the oldest with a common ancestry pre-dating Niall of the Nine > Hostages. > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/11/2013 00:42:58 GMT Standard Time, > > > [email protected] writes: > > > > > > To "Hell or Connaught" was made famous by Cromwell. But even before > > > Oliver's time there were migrations from Ulster to Mayo. One > > interesting > > > one for > > > the O'Dochartaigh Clann is the migration of Maonghaile O'Dochartaigh's > > > descendants ( Munnelley, Monnellly, Manley) from Donegal to > > > Ballymunnelley, > > > Ballycastle and Cloontikilla, Mayo prior to 1585. This precedes Cahir > > > O'Dochartaigh's rebellion and the Plantation of Ulster. It appears > that, > > > like > > > the McDevitts, the Munnelly/Monnelley/Manley sept may prove to be > > another > > > branch of the O'Dochartaigh. I have started discussions with Paul > > Manley > > > investigate this connection and why they migrated to Mayo when they > did. > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject > > > and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >