Paul, I had a further look at the SNPs mentioned below in Irelands DNA and also in L-21 and others, and I have to agree, it looks very much like these SNPs and one more L196 are unreliable. This is very disappointing but by no means surprising. Z70 has a number of Z70+ including two in the M222 Project, but on the whole, Z70 appears to be mainly upstream of M222 rather than downstream. Z70+ in M222 Project N113849: DePew: N113900: Kelleher IRELAND DNA Projects Z70+ M222- There are a number in the Project, including: B2560: Murphy: R1b1a2a1a1b4 (L-21) M222- Those under L-21 DNA Project Z70+ M222- B2560: Murphy: R1b1a2a1a1b4 (L-21) 239517: Stovold: R1b1a2a1a1b4 (L-21) H1035: McPhee: R1b1a2a1a1b4 (R-L21) N113851: R1b1a2a1a1b4 (R-L21) M222 not listed N113865: R1b1a2a1a1b4 (R-L21) M222 not listed N113834: Ingram: R1b1a2a1a1b4 (R-L21) M222 not listed There is no Z70+ M222+ that I could see. L196- M222- There are quite a few L196- M222-, but interestingly one L196- M222+ 60340: Goldsworth: R1b1a2a1a1b4b (R-M222+) In the L-21 DNA Project, L196- isn't showing up under R-M222. L196 appears to be upstream. F3952+ N10119: Mitchell: R1b1a2a1a1b4b (R-M222+) F1636+ 129574: Patterson: R1b1a2a1a1a4 (R-L48): M222 not listed Under L-21 DNA Project N114085: Graham: R1b1a2a1a1b4 (R-L21): M222 not listed The others are as you say, have had multiple independent occurrences and to qualify the point, upstream of the M222 SNP. So, we have 8 out of 21 SNPs that are effectively now questionable and need to be re-examined in the light of what appears to be unreliable reporting at the weekend. Alan In a message dated 11/11/2013 00:11:37 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: PF3297 -- shows up in Haplogroup G (see Ireland project) PF3988 -- show up in Haplogroup I (see Ireland project) F3952 -- shows up in M222+ in Ireland Project (Mitchell: N10119) Z70 -- shows up in I2a2b (see Ireland Project) PF1909 -- shows up in E-V12 (see Ireland Project) PF910 -- shows up in A-M202 (see Ireland Project) F1636 -- shows up in R1b-Z9 (see Ireland Project) CTS11548 -- shows up in I-M26 (see Ireland Project) You could be looking at unreliable SNP's that have had multiple independent occurences. The fact that most of them appear in other Haplogroups kinda bears it out. Interesting to see the F3952+ result for Mitchell. All the above were from kits that had Geno 2.0 done. -Paul (DF41+) On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Bernard Morgan <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > The quoted remark "There will be 21 new SNPs under M222 and all of them > are tested on the NatGeo Geno 2.0 test." doesn't make any sense to me at > all. We would have seen them by now!? Who is he saying found these SNPs and > where? > > > > A copy of Dr. Michael's Hammer's map of the new SNPs downstream from M222 > has been published at: > > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151949352643444&set=gm.621729794551000&type=1&theater > > > I read the SNPs as: > > PF3297 > PF3988 > F3952 > F3024 > CTS8007 > M226 > F499 > L196 > Z70 > PF2026 > CTS8580 plus PF1909 under > CTS3771 > CTS10488 > F1400 > CTS9501 > PF910 > PF7301 > F3637 > CTS6 > F1636 > CTS11548 > > Which is 21 different branches. However are they really under M222? > > For R-L196 (R1b1a2a1a1b3c2, R1b-P312>U152>L2>L196+) is a private SNP for > the Barton family and seems unrelated to M222 > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L196/default.aspx?section=ycolorized > > And a Z90+ testee was negative for M222. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message