Linda, as you know, there is a private piece of research going on into at least two McGees who emigrated from Galloway and settled in NW Ireland in the early 1600s. McKie N64222 is Kirkcudbrightshire and McGee 200080 is descended from a McGee whose trail is leading back from America to NW Ireland and from there to Galloway early in the 1600s. McKie N64222 is already confirmed DF85+, but his Geno 2.0 test did not include DF97. Now that we know both N64222 and 200080 have been tested positive for DF85, knowing if these and the others, test positive for DF97 is going to be important for three reasons. Firstly, in one of Sandy's emails, he seemed to suggest S668 and DF97, where probably close to each other and in the chart posted by Iain, there is a McGee at S668. Since we know the source of N64222 and 200080, it would be to everyones advantage to know if they test DF97+ or negative. If they test positive, it will add further weight to DF97+ being close to S668. It might be that someone on the forum already knows who S668 is, if so, it would helpful if this could be shared either privately or on this forum. Secondly, you will recall last year, along with Susan, we submitted sets of STRs to Anatole, and mine included that group of McKies and McGhies from Galloway. Anatole, when he ran his test produced a ‘phylogenetic tree’ which identified two branches. This tree was incorporated into the article 'Not All Scots were Irish First'. If you go to the article on the following link, scroll down to page 1577, you will find the group in question. At the time of writing, our knowledge of this cluster was very limited, but since then a good deal of work has been done on it. http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/Notallscots.pdf There is evidence now to show both these two branches share a common ancestry in Galloway and this will be an important step forward for the overall DF85 haplogroup. Since it appears the McGhees of Balmaghie and the McKies of Larg are in the same group, and in the other group we also have two old Galloway and South Ayrshire lineage names, the McConcheys and McLurgs, it is not only likely but near certain, the ancestor between these two branches pre-dates 1296 to an unknown period. All the lineage names McGhee, McKie, McConchy and McLurg can be evidenced both in the Ragman Roll (1296) and other sources on my webpage below: _Scottish M222_ (http://regarde-bien.com/scottish-m222.htm) I am hoping that what we are now seeing is the first clear genetic link between SW Scotland and Argyllshire, and to other DF85+ surnames that are located in this area and in the Highlands of Scotland, including, Allene's MacAdams/Adamsons. Finally, you will recall one of the original objectives of the Sons of Aodh DNA Project was to see if the McKies of Larg and McGhees of Balmaghie were genetically related down through the Clan Afren mentioned in my site. Since it is now looking very likely N64222 and 200080 are the living descendents of ancestors from the Clan Afren, this will push the age of DF85+ much further back in Scotland, as the ancestor of this clan could have lived as early as the tenth century or in the eleventh century. I trust this clarifies what I mean by significant. Alan In a message dated 13/11/2013 00:04:31 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Alan, Thanks very much for asking..........I really don't.......I also asked Craig earlier. Will you tell me about It? Thanks, Linda > > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Another new DF85+ > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:50:10 -0500 (EST) > > > Linda, do you happen to realize the significance of this result? Alan > > In a message dated 12/11/2013 12:27:49 GMT Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > N64222 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message