Alan, perhaps when we see where David Wilson (Mr. Modal) slots in we can be more definitive about that. Then we can see whether the overall group modal has any real historical significance? Iain > From: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 14:53:18 -0500 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 downloads/results > > Iain > > Just had a quick look at the update. Interesting .... Given it appears > that you are ancestral for all the new SNPs in the Jim Wilson diagram .... it > also seems that you and Steve Lominac are ancestral to that Niall of the > Nine Hostage modal? > > Alan > > > > > > In a message dated 15/11/2013 19:19:21 GMT Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > There seems to have been a more general release of raw Chromo2 data > downloads so anyone who got a sample back by July 28th it may be worth checking > the site or for the confirming email. > > One result has already been added to the new tree, Rob McBride is S588* > alongside my namesake 'male Kennedy'. > > I have been promised a revised tree by Dr. Wilson which may have one or > two additional small early branches but no drastic changes, I will post as > soon as I get it. > > Iain > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Iain, I had to laugh at that. I wonder what could be learned from the McKenzie who is even more modal than I am. My sample got to the lab only about a month ago, so I'm probably not going to hear for another few weeks where I will be slotted. I'm hoping for news by the end of the month, but who knows. I told Jim Wilson that I guessed I would be in the M222* paragroup or maybe in S568. I am one of those who thinks the odds are better than 50-50 that M222 first appeared in Scotland or Strathclyde, then moved to Ireland and flourished before returning a few centuries later in some measure to what we now call Scotland. Then of course a couple of centuries after that the original stay-at-home M222 Scots picked up and moved to Ulster when it made sense for them to do so. That's when I'm guessing that my Wilson ancestors parked themselves in the Bann River Valley. I don't see any evidence they were in Ireland before the mid-17th century, though of course a lusty Irish lad may have been a patrilineal ancestor rather than one of the sober, dour Scots Wilsons who came to that green isle with their wives and daughters. Anyway, that's my hypothetical narrative of the moment. We'll see what the SNPs say soon enough. Needless to say, I'm not persuaded by the "It all started in Mayo" school of thought, but I'm persuadable if further evidence piles up that points in that direction. David Wilson > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:02:56 +0000 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 downloads/results > > Alan, perhaps when we see where David Wilson (Mr. Modal) slots in we can be more definitive about that. Then we can see whether the overall group modal has any real historical significance? > > Iain > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 14:53:18 -0500 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 downloads/results > > > > Iain > > > > Just had a quick look at the update. Interesting .... Given it appears > > that you are ancestral for all the new SNPs in the Jim Wilson diagram .... it > > also seems that you and Steve Lominac are ancestral to that Niall of the > > Nine Hostage modal? > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 15/11/2013 19:19:21 GMT Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > There seems to have been a more general release of raw Chromo2 data > > downloads so anyone who got a sample back by July 28th it may be worth checking > > the site or for the confirming email. > > > > One result has already been added to the new tree, Rob McBride is S588* > > alongside my namesake 'male Kennedy'. > > > > I have been promised a revised tree by Dr. Wilson which may have one or > > two additional small early branches but no drastic changes, I will post as > > soon as I get it. > > > > Iain > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > > and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree, it is indeed going to be interesting to see whether or not the actual clade modal is indicative of anything specific or merely a cumulative signature guideline to the clade at large. It is becoming more and more clear that there are convergence issues which until the down stream SNPs were known we were clueless about beyond the individual surname lineages themselves. The df85 positive results are nearly on modal, and clearly df85 is down stream from the M222 founder; I think it remains to be seen which SNPs will actually equate as ancestral and which are brothers or uncles, sons or nephews yet. The sample size for positives coming out of Chromo2 is yet very small and undoubtedly there will be clarifications as the testing continues. Congratulations Robert McBride and Iain Kennedy. Iain will you be sharing your haplotype with us? I remember seeing it at 48 markers, I think, but that was a long time ago. Susan On 11/15/2013 3:02 PM, Iain Kennedy wrote: > Alan, perhaps when we see where David Wilson (Mr. Modal) slots in we can be more definitive about that. Then we can see whether the overall group modal has any real historical significance? > > Iain > > > > > >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 14:53:18 -0500 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 downloads/results >> >> Iain >> >> Just had a quick look at the update. Interesting .... Given it appears >> that you are ancestral for all the new SNPs in the Jim Wilson diagram .... it >> also seems that you and Steve Lominac are ancestral to that Niall of the >> Nine Hostage modal? >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 15/11/2013 19:19:21 GMT Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> There seems to have been a more general release of raw Chromo2 data >> downloads so anyone who got a sample back by July 28th it may be worth checking >> the site or for the confirming email. >> >> One result has already been added to the new tree, Rob McBride is S588* >> alongside my namesake 'male Kennedy'. >> >> I have been promised a revised tree by Dr. Wilson which may have one or >> two additional small early branches but no drastic changes, I will post as >> soon as I get it. >> >> Iain >> >> http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >> and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >