The permanent link to that first blog entry is http://dna-explained.com/2013/11/12/2013-family-tree-dna-conference-day-2/ although its on the home page right now. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:16:17 +0000 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] M222 Could Originate in… > > Alan, > > One of the blogs I read yesterday reported the claim that the record for multiple occurrences of a Geno 2.0 SNP is 7!! I don't think we need to say any more? > > http://dna-explained.com/ > > "New Y tree will be released shortly as a result of the Geno 2.0 > testing. Some of the SNPs have mutated as much as 7 times, and what > does that mean in terms of the tree and in terms of genealogical > usefulness. This tree has taken much longer to produce than they > expected due to these types of issues which had to be revised > individually." > > Having said that, I was planning to put the SNPs like PF1169, F1265 etc on the diagram when I can assign them to one of the upper branches. I think our criteria can be a little more relaxed IMHO and we should only discard a SNP if it is unstable within M222. That would mean though including some of this new list of 21 as well and might mean we show SNPs that ISOGG discards. > > http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_SNP_Requirements.html > > "While not a part of the definition for binary polymorphism, it is expected that the > markers proposed for inclusion as defining markers for haplogroups will also have the > characteristics: (a) the effective mutation rate will be less than approximately 5 x 10-7, > and (b) that the polymorphism has not been observed more than twice in human history." > > It will be interesting to see whether ISOGG feels like relaxing this rule in the light of our increased knowledge. > > > regards > > Iain > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:34:22 -0500 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] M222 Could Originate in… > > > > Iain, what is your current thoughts now since your working the matrix? Alan > > > > > > In a message dated 11/11/2013 09:43:05 GMT Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 00:00:11 +0000 > > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] M222 Could Originate in… > > > > > > > > > > > The quoted remark "There will be 21 new SNPs under M222 and all of > > them are tested on the NatGeo Geno 2.0 test." doesn't make any sense to me at > > all. We would have seen them by now!? Who is he saying found these SNPs and > > where? > > > > > > > > > > A copy of Dr. Michael's Hammer's map of the new SNPs downstream from > > M222 has been published at: > > > > > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151949352643444&set=gm.621729794551000&type=1&theater > > > > > > > > > I read the SNPs as: > > > > > > PF3297 > > > PF3988 > > > F3952 > > > F3024 > > > CTS8007 > > > M226 > > > F499 > > > L196 > > > Z70 > > > PF2026 > > > CTS8580 plus PF1909 under > > > CTS3771 > > > CTS10488 > > > F1400 > > > CTS9501 > > > PF910 > > > PF7301 > > > F3637 > > > CTS6 > > > F1636 > > > CTS11548 > > > > > Well spotted Bernard. I checked my raw Geno file and these are all in it > > except CTS8007. The image isn't quite good enough to be sure that's what it > > says though (there is a CTS8002 listed for example).. Given the large > > number of M222 people who took the Geno test though, it seems unlikely these are > > significant since no-one we know of has had a 'hit' so far. > > > > Iain > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > > and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Quoting from the blog entry: "For example, there are 32 new SNPs under M222 which will help at a genealogical level. These SNPs must have arisen in the past couple thousand years." > > The permanent link to that first blog entry is > > http://dna-explained.com/2013/11/12/2013-family-tree-dna-conference-day-2/ > > although its on the home page right now. >