Should I now order DF97? Have any of the Milligans ordered DF97 yet? On another aspect of my MacAdam lines, the latest test (Kit 290385) still has results coming in, but he is not going to match the rest at all! I haven't posted any detailed DNA background information yet because I'm waiting to see what comes of Chromo2 tests for two Milligans. Matches with the Lowland McAdam group don't look at all good to me--they vaporize after 25 markers. I am inclined to think my Highland MacAdam group has never been part of the Lowland McAdam line. The story that we were descended from an Irish gallowglass who was fighting on Aonghas Og's side in the Battle of Bloody Bay (off Isle of Mull in early 1480s) was one I pooh-poohed for a long time, but recently I found out that the source of this story isn't recent, but goes back to what Skene referred to as the Knock MS--a late 17th century document attributed to Hugh MacDonald. There's a place called Knock on Mull. The local genealogists in the Arisaig area of the Highlands swear by that story and another one that relates how this gallowglass was given land at nearby Glenuig as a reward for helping Clan Donald win the battle that ended the reign of the Lords of the Isles. Glenuig is where ancestors of some of this group came from, according to the two 1790 ship manifests. The others were a short distance away at Arienskill/Arieniskill. Their surname was translated as Adamson, not MacAdam, but they changed it to the latter after coming to Prince Edward Island in 1790. I'm trying to keep an open mind about all this, including the Lowlands aspect. Allene Message: 6 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:35:47 -0800 From: "Allene Goforth" <[email protected]> Subject: [R-M222] Another new DF85 Result To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original MacAdam Kit 88644 is DF85+. Allene

Dear Allene, Yes, you should order df97 for your df85+ result to see if it is +or- for df97. Both Milliken/Milligan results are df85 neg; hence what we may be looking at between the similarities in haplotypes between these McAdam and the one Milligan group is probably due to haplotype convergence. This happens and due to the random mutation process of the alleles. That said, other Milliken/Milligan from both branches -- haplotypes diverse from those of the two who have tested already-- should test for df85. The same must be said for the O'Doherty groups--I noticed that there is at least one more testing for df85. Keep in mind that those of these large surname groups with haplotypes diverse from those who have already tested should investigate at least df85 to make certain that these surname lineages are not split by the SNPs. We already know that there are splits in the O'Dochartaigh; there are splits in the McConechy groups... The Gallowglass story is interesting. Save that and the citation reference, please. Susan Hedeen On 11/13/2013 1:24 PM, Allene Goforth wrote: > Should I now order DF97? Have any of the Milligans ordered DF97 yet? > >

> > .... The local genealogists in the Arisaig area of the Highlands swear > by that story and another one that relates how this gallowglass was given > land at nearby Glenuig as a reward for helping Clan Donald win the battle > that ended the reign of the Lords of the Isles. Reminds me of this tale I found: "...  Clanranald territories of Benbecula and South Uist and not in the otherwise 'more Norse' islands to the North. The MacPhersons in those latter islands are probably mostly descendants of the 'Red Parson' an O'Docherty mercenary soldier priest who led the gallowglass element of the forces of Uisdean MacDonald when he took over part of Skye and established Clan Donald North in about 1369. Those MacPhersons settled in Trotternish in Skye and as the Liosadair or linen workers, later spread southwards to North Uist and Benbecula." I known of at least one McPherson (103531) who is M222.