Dr Michael Hammer gave an interesting presentation at the FTDNA Conference today on R1b origins. Highlights are reported at http://www.surnamedna.com/?p=950 I should note that the new M222 SNPs are available on Geno2 chip as well as FTDNA's new Big-Y test of 10 million Y base pairs on sale for $495.

The quoted remark "There will be 21 new SNPs under M222 and all of them are tested on the NatGeo Geno 2.0 test." doesn't make any sense to me at all. We would have seen them by now!? Who is he saying found these SNPs and where? Iain > From: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 10:52:33 -0600 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [R-M222] M222 Could Originate in… > > > Dr Michael Hammer gave an interesting presentation at the FTDNA Conference today on R1b origins. Highlights are reported at > > http://www.surnamedna.com/?p=950 > > I should note that the new M222 SNPs are available on Geno2 chip as well as FTDNA's new Big-Y test of 10 million Y base pairs on sale for $495. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Agreed...perhaps a misspeak to allude to the new Geno product? But if he's referring to the old Geno2 product either these snps he is referring to were not vetted very well to begin with or they didn't report all the positives so that the reservation could be incorporated into papers and products being announced now--ie does the reference that the personal home pages in process of being up-dated allude to this possibility?--or just WHAT IN THE HECK is going on????? or not going on? Susan Hedeen On 11/10/2013 11:59 AM, Iain Kennedy wrote: > The quoted remark "There will be 21 new SNPs under M222 and all of them are tested on the NatGeo Geno 2.0 test." doesn't make any sense to me at all. We would have seen them by now!? Who is he saying found these SNPs and where? > > Iain > > > > > >

What subordinate SNPs can be derived from Geno 2.0 anyway? Certainly neither DF85 nor DF97. As I recall there were 'six SNPs subordinate to M222' according to Greenspan which led many of us to test with said chip in the first place. I see nothing from Geno 2.0 reported solidly below M222 per ISOGG. Are we not left to discern for ourselves the data from multiple labs who amongst themselves fight for scraps? I believe so. Susan, if M222 is in indeed indigenous to Mayo, I certainly take it! :-) On 10/nov/2013, at 08:59, Iain Kennedy <[email protected]> wrote: > The quoted remark "There will be 21 new SNPs under M222 and all of them are tested on the NatGeo Geno 2.0 test." doesn't make any sense to me at all. We would have seen them by now!? Who is he saying found these SNPs and where? > > Iain > > > > > >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 10:52:33 -0600 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [R-M222] M222 Could Originate in… >> >> >> Dr Michael Hammer gave an interesting presentation at the FTDNA Conference today on R1b origins. Highlights are reported at >> >> http://www.surnamedna.com/?p=950 >> >> I should note that the new M222 SNPs are available on Geno2 chip as well as FTDNA's new Big-Y test of 10 million Y base pairs on sale for $495. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> > The quoted remark "There will be 21 new SNPs under M222 and all of them are tested on the NatGeo Geno 2.0 test." doesn't make any sense to me at all. We would have seen them by now!? Who is he saying found these SNPs and where? > A copy of Dr. Michael's Hammer's map of the new SNPs downstream from M222 has been published at: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151949352643444&set=gm.621729794551000&type=1&theater I read the SNPs as: PF3297 PF3988 F3952 F3024 CTS8007 M226 F499 L196 Z70 PF2026 CTS8580 plus PF1909 under CTS3771 CTS10488 F1400 CTS9501 PF910 PF7301 F3637 CTS6 F1636 CTS11548 Which is 21 different branches. However are they really under M222? For R-L196 (R1b1a2a1a1b3c2, R1b-P312>U152>L2>L196+) is a private SNP for the Barton family and seems unrelated to M222  http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L196/default.aspx?section=ycolorized And a Z90+ testee was negative for M222.

PF3297 -- shows up in Haplogroup G (see Ireland project) PF3988 -- show up in Haplogroup I (see Ireland project) F3952 -- shows up in M222+ in Ireland Project (Mitchell: N10119) Z70 -- shows up in I2a2b (see Ireland Project) PF1909 -- shows up in E-V12 (see Ireland Project) PF910 -- shows up in A-M202 (see Ireland Project) F1636 -- shows up in R1b-Z9 (see Ireland Project) CTS11548 -- shows up in I-M26 (see Ireland Project) You could be looking at unreliable SNP's that have had multiple independent occurences. The fact that most of them appear in other Haplogroups kinda bears it out. Interesting to see the F3952+ result for Mitchell. All the above were from kits that had Geno 2.0 done. -Paul (DF41+) On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Bernard Morgan <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > The quoted remark "There will be 21 new SNPs under M222 and all of them > are tested on the NatGeo Geno 2.0 test." doesn't make any sense to me at > all. We would have seen them by now!? Who is he saying found these SNPs and > where? > > > > A copy of Dr. Michael's Hammer's map of the new SNPs downstream from M222 > has been published at: > > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151949352643444&set=gm.621729794551000&type=1&theater > > > I read the SNPs as: > > PF3297 > PF3988 > F3952 > F3024 > CTS8007 > M226 > F499 > L196 > Z70 > PF2026 > CTS8580 plus PF1909 under > CTS3771 > CTS10488 > F1400 > CTS9501 > PF910 > PF7301 > F3637 > CTS6 > F1636 > CTS11548 > > Which is 21 different branches. However are they really under M222? > > For R-L196 (R1b1a2a1a1b3c2, R1b-P312>U152>L2>L196+) is a private SNP for > the Barton family and seems unrelated to M222 > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L196/default.aspx?section=ycolorized > > And a Z90+ testee was negative for M222. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >