I just head from a Kehoe from Wexford, Ireland, who tested DF23+ M222-. I will soon be setting up a section on the M222 project to include this result. The ysearch ID = fsh3f and he reports he is a GD of 19 from the M222 modal. I think that may be at 67 markers. At 37 he's more like 14. The question of course is whether he is pre M222. He really only has one M222 marker (390 = 25). He reports the following: DYS390=25 DYS449=30 DYS481=24 We have several other candidates in the M222 project who mimic M222 more closely than this. But it's interesting none the less. I'm sure more results will follow. John