If I'm not mistaken, it seems that casual observations of the haplotypes of those either with Scott names and/or claims of Scotland either anecdotal or oldest known ancestor environ suggest that there may be more diversity among the Scot samples. This, however, I believe has not been studied beyond the surname and clan projects where administrators and/or interested individuals are observing and comparing the haplotypes. It would be very good to do a comprehensive collective study comparing the two groups; that in itself however would be a major project which would require the aid and assistance of administrators, data collectors, and those with the analytical computer models and utilities to cooperate on. It has been suggested, but thus far I don't know if anyone has moved on it. Susan On 11/14/2011 7:34 PM, Marie Kerr wrote: > Having received the referenced email myself I checked out the Wikipedia > reference to my husband's DNA. Although his was detailed, it was > interesting that our (my father's) M222 was not fleshed out. In any case, > I am very interested in how testing is going with existing inhabitants of > "Northwest Irish/Lowland Scots." > > Has anyone commissioned a study of existing inhabitants? My father, having > been so close to the modal M222 values and also knowing exactly where his > parent were from (NW Ireland), would seem to be an ideal reference. > > Marie Golden Kerr (James J. Golden) > > -----Original Message----- > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Hedeen > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 4:13 PM > To: dna-r1b1c7; dna-r1b1c7-request@rootsweb.com; dna@irishtype3dna.org > Subject: [R-M222] RootsWeb: GENEALOGY-DNA-L [DNA] Geographic specificity > > See this announcement posted to Genealogy DNA L @ Rootsweb. This is a good > tool, but for the Scot - Irish concerns may be somewhat of a misnomer when > considering M222 and other SNPs of prevalence in the two environs in > consideration mostly to Ulster. > > Because of the record loss of the 1920's fire which wiped out most beyond > about 75% of the indexes in Ireland, and the poor records in Scotland > previous to about the 1700's religious records, those with anecdotal > histories of being Scot (in some cases English) planters of Gallowglass > migrants into Ulster and remaining until immigrating out must generally give > up the environ of the earliest known (via documentation for most) ancestral > environs. For most that is Ireland despite the good chance that (among the > Scot-Irish& Eng-Irish) the ancestors may have been in Scotland or England > for perhaps 700 or more years previous to migration to Ireland. > > Some may argue the popular belief that in particular M222 formed up in > Ireland, and therefore be no issue; however, we certainly do not know that > with any specificity yet. Susan > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2011-11/13213010 > 30 > > /From:/ "Irish III DNA"<dna@irishtype3dna.org > <mailto:dna@irishtype3dna.org>> /Subject:/ [DNA] Geographic specificity > /Date:/ Tue, 15 Nov 2011 07:03:50 +1100 I see FTDNA are about to provide a > map for ancestral origins Dennis Wright > > > > > Dear Dennis Wright, > > With the vast number of records that Family Tree DNA has obtained, we > are in a unique position to begin delivering > something that would normally be possible only after scientific papers > are published: a better level of geographic specificity for > the origin and migration of ancestral lines in more recent times. > > Up until now, Haplogroups were able to only tell one's deep ancestral > origin. However,with the numerous terminal > SNPs that we've discovered and tested over the years, we will soon be > able to provide customers with the history of your population > cluster within the last few hundred years. > > Many Family Tree DNA customers have already submitted geographical > coordinates of their MDKA, or Most Distant > Known Ancestor. Our goal is to offer a new map view with data points for > as many terminal SNPs as possible. The map will also be > enhanced with added features so that as the number of records increase, > we will be able to see a higher level of geographic > specificity. > > This map should be available in a few weeks. It should be quite valuable > for those who don't have any facts about > the ancestral origin of their paternal line and those interested in the > physical spread of their Haplogroup. > > Given that you tested positive for L226, submitting your MDKA geographic > coordinates would substantially help to > enhance the level of specificity and migration history for all that have > tested positive for L226. > > As an example, the map displayed below shows people positive for L21 > (red dots) and M222 (blue dots). One possible > interpretation is that since L21 is ancestral to M222, L21 expanded from > the continent into the British Isles during the LGM (last > glacial maximum) and then the M222 developed, being characteristic of > Northern Ireland. The map clearly shows the largest > concentration of M222 in Northern Ireland, which suggests the expansion > of this group most likely originated from this region. > > Click here to enter the coordinates for your MDKA, and edit the > information at the bottom of the map. > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >