In a message dated 7/28/2011 12:53:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ytliekb@yahoo.com writes: Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for just a few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). Bernard, your DNA shows quite a few off modal markers. That should make it easy to find other matches within your surname group should any appear. The problem is I only see one Keilty in the databases now - that's your own sample. Off modal matches refer to differences between the overall M222 group modal and your own DNA. You can easily check this yourself in a spreadsheet by comparing your own DNA to M5UKQ, which is the M222 modal on Ysearch. Modal just means the most common result at any given marker. Just to name a few: 389-1=14 458=18 437=16 449=29 464d=18 There may be more. I didn't check each location. But that already is a lot at 25 markers. If you're wondering about matches with other surnames through DNA that's problematical. We have lots of family modals and some cluster modals in the project involving more than one surname. But most are just family modals. <I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. For an answer to that you need to do research in Irish history. I looked up the surname Keilty in MacLysaght's Surnames of Ireland and found a few vague references which eventually led me to Quilty - but the Quilty references were mostly Munster (Limerick), Connacht, Down and surrounding counties, in short it's a surname with multiple origins. Unfortunately Tyrone is something of a black hole in Irish genealogy - there are no 1659 census returns and the Hearth Money records are spotty and difficult to find (I now the LDS have some on microfilm). The earliest records I can check for you are the Tithe Applotment Books which precede the Griffith's Valuations. These returns are from the CD which is notorious for missing records. The variant Keilty appears in Down (10), Antrim (3), Armagh (1). Two more variants in Down (Keiltie). The variant Keightly appears in Tyrone (3) Two in the parish of Arboe, one in Ballinderry. Archy Keightly Steward Keightly Saml. Keightly The variant Kielty appears in the same counties (Antrim, 3), Armagh (1), Down (1), Londonderry (1) I think these are all variants of the same surname. But I don't see any large concentration in one location except perhaps Co. Down. And even there it's not large. I only see one possible variant in the 1660 Heath Money Rolls for Antrim, a Kittelly, Abraham. The variant Keightly as found in Tryone appears to be an English surname. It's found in Ulster, lowland Scotland, northern England and all over England. _http://www.dynastree.co.uk/maps/detail/keightley.html_ (http://www.dynastree.co.uk/maps/detail/keightley.html) There simply isn't a large enough concentration in Ulster in any one location for me to think this is a native Irish sept. But that could be wrong. I do not see any possible Keilty variants in the 1659 census returns for Antrim, Down or Armagh. John

I checked the Roots Ireland site: http://www.rootsireland.ie/ which tries to collect all of the vital records for all of Ireland. You can do a lot of free searching, but the final records cost 5 euro. It's spotty on what is has, but it does have a lot. I checked birth records for Keilty and variants (it is generous on variants) and found the following. Antrim 128 Armagh 19 Cork 238 Derry 138 Down 96 Dublin 12 Galway 150 Kilkenny 30 Laois 16 Leitrim 58 Limerick 640 Longford 54 Louth 7 Mayo 145 Roscommon 431 Sligo 107 Tipperary 58 Tyrone 108 Wicklow 56 Gerry -----Original Message----- In a message dated 7/28/2011 12:53:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ytliekb@yahoo.com writes: Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for just a few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy).

What can I learn from the FTDNA Haplotree page My Matches, John? I have "exact" matches with 10 "people", 6 from Ireland, from R1b1a2a1a1b4b. I am said to be R1b1a2.I have a bunch more with 1-step mutations, with the same, R1b1a2a1a1b4b Haplogroup, most of them from Ireland, 136 out of less than 200 "matches .What can I draw from that other than that I appear to be Irish and in the Ribia2 area? Does it indicate my ancestors pretty far back were from Orkney or Scandinavia or anything specific? Regards, Bob Bob Quinn President&CEO Quinn Specialty Chemical Consultants Partner at Bay Street Investors/Bay Street Partners Co-Chair ACS GCI Manufacturer's Roundtable 27 Langton Lane Newtown Square, Pa, 19073 T:610-331-4920 e-mail:raaq@live.com Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobquinnspecialtychemicals > From: Lochlan@aol.com > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:36:18 -0400 > To: ytliekb@yahoo.com; DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > > > In a message dated 7/28/2011 12:53:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > ytliekb@yahoo.com writes: > > Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what to > do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read > the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for just a few > years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > > Bernard, your DNA shows quite a few off modal markers. That should make > it easy to find other matches within your surname group should any appear. > The problem is I only see one Keilty in the databases now - that's your > own sample. > > Off modal matches refer to differences between the overall M222 group modal > and your own DNA. You can easily check this yourself in a spreadsheet by > comparing your own DNA to M5UKQ, which is the M222 modal on Ysearch. Modal > just means the most common result at any given marker. > > Just to name a few: > > 389-1=14 > 458=18 > 437=16 > 449=29 > 464d=18 > > There may be more. I didn't check each location. But that already is a > lot at 25 markers. > > If you're wondering about matches with other surnames through DNA that's > problematical. We have lots of family modals and some cluster modals in the > project involving more than one surname. But most are just family modals. > > <I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. > > For an answer to that you need to do research in Irish history. I looked > up the surname Keilty in MacLysaght's Surnames of Ireland and found a few > vague references which eventually led me to Quilty - but the Quilty > references were mostly Munster (Limerick), Connacht, Down and surrounding counties, > in short it's a surname with multiple origins. Unfortunately Tyrone is > something of a black hole in Irish genealogy - there are no 1659 census > returns and the Hearth Money records are spotty and difficult to find (I now the > LDS have some on microfilm). > > The earliest records I can check for you are the Tithe Applotment Books > which precede the Griffith's Valuations. These returns are from the CD which > is notorious for missing records. > > The variant Keilty appears in Down (10), Antrim (3), Armagh (1). Two more > variants in Down (Keiltie). > > The variant Keightly appears in Tyrone (3) Two in the parish of Arboe, > one in Ballinderry. > > Archy Keightly > Steward Keightly > Saml. Keightly > > The variant Kielty appears in the same counties (Antrim, 3), Armagh (1), > Down (1), Londonderry (1) > > I think these are all variants of the same surname. But I don't see any > large concentration in one location except perhaps Co. Down. And even there > it's not large. > > I only see one possible variant in the 1660 Heath Money Rolls for Antrim, > a Kittelly, Abraham. > > The variant Keightly as found in Tryone appears to be an English surname. > It's found in Ulster, lowland Scotland, northern England and all over > England. > > _http://www.dynastree.co.uk/maps/detail/keightley.html_ > (http://www.dynastree.co.uk/maps/detail/keightley.html) > > There simply isn't a large enough concentration in Ulster in any one > location for me to think this is a native Irish sept. But that could be wrong. > > I do not see any possible Keilty variants in the 1659 census returns for > Antrim, Down or Armagh. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message