In a message dated 9/25/2011 2:31:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com writes: I'm not familiar with the McGee utilities - mostly I write my own code. However, I can see that it's based on the infinite alleles model, which in my opinion is the equivalent of basing conclusions on the theories of the flat earth society. I see also that it's a 37-marker analysis. I think the FSE would approve of that too. You can chose either the infinite alleles model or the or the hybrid mutation modal in the McGee utility. Infinite alleles is the default. I normally check off the hybrid modal since that's compatible with FTDNA. However I do not remember which one I used for that run. I checked the 37-67 marker section of the Duncan/McConachie section and saw no differences from the modal so I used 37 markers to gain a larger selection of samples. I found a Lamont sample in your name on Ysearch the other day. He does not appear to be M222. Who might that be? John