I tested M222 with 23andme and had previously had a 37-marker result from ftdna. Recently ftdna started putting a 'Niall of the Nine Hostages' graphic on my ftdna page. Aside from the fact that this whole Niall thing has been pretty well discredited recently, the issue here is that I have a solid match with the 'Niall' 25-marker modal haplotype in ysearch but it all falls apart when extended to 37-markers. Similarly, my ftdna matches in 25-markers show some 100% or 1 or 2 distance matches with individuals who have had 37 or 67-marker tests but these individuals don't show up in the 37-dys matches. I presume this means that there are so many differences at 37-markers that they don't even come close to being listed - meaning the 25-marker results are meaningless? Shouldn't ftdna not even list these 12-, 25- matches if it falls apart at the 37 level? -- Mark Wade astronautix@gmail.com

I  just compared my 67-marker results  with the M-222 modal example ,  and found that I was 63/67 .  The one thing that I  noticed was  that I and other Lane's who have tested M-222 all have the same mutation a t the 389-1 and 389-2 marker which is 14-30 instead of the more commonly seen 13-29. I've been curious  about this mutation at that marker, and have wondered   does it signify anything, or is it  just a random mutation that all of us Lane's share ? I've found a few others in the M-222 study  that have also mutated at this marker, but it doesn't seem very common as the majority are 13-29. Is there anything to this? All the best, Chris Lane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Wade" <astronautix@gmail.com> To: DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 5:05:07 AM Subject: [R-M222] Meaning of 25-marker matches vs 37-no matches I tested M222 with 23andme and had previously had a 37-marker result from ftdna. Recently ftdna started putting a 'Niall of the Nine Hostages' graphic on my ftdna page. Aside from the fact that this whole Niall thing has been pretty well discredited recently, the issue here is that I have a solid match with the 'Niall' 25-marker modal haplotype in ysearch but it all falls apart when extended to 37-markers. Similarly, my ftdna matches in 25-markers show some 100% or 1 or 2 distance matches with individuals who have had 37 or 67-marker tests but these individuals don't show up in the 37-dys matches. I presume this means that there are so many differences at 37-markers that they don't even come close to being listed - meaning the 25-marker results are meaningless? Shouldn't ftdna not even list these 12-, 25- matches if it falls apart at the 37 level? -- Mark Wade astronautix@gmail.com  R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message