Sandy, 203128 doesn't appear on the Lamont site as far as I can see (unless there are more than one). However, if your man is 9/15, he is of interest as a possible pre M222. A variance of six with M222/L21 is relatively unusual. What then of his other (M222) off-modal markers. If he has, say, twelve or more additional off-modals, he is a candidate for a very early M222 or a pre M222 - and I'm now accepting the M222 is 3000 years old thesis in this respect. As you know, my cluster (at about -1000 years) usually has almost the complete set of M222 identifiers, but also consistently about nine additional off-modals. I think we should now be working towards trying to establish the latest pre M222 that we can. Perhaps, though, we don't have enough continental information yet. David Grierson On 26/09/2011 4:53 PM, Sandy Paterson wrote: > [I found a Lamont sample in your name on Ysearch the other day. He does > not appear to be M222. Who might that be?] > > It's probably Lamont, kit number 203128 on the Lamont site. > > He may be M222 but he's not obviously so. I think he matches 9/15 of the > markers that distinguish M222 from L21 and he hasn't had his haplotype > tested. His roots go back to Argyllshire, and he has a rock-solid pedigree > that goes back to a birth in 1710 registered in Inverkip. He's one > generation away from proving that he's descended from the McPhadrick > Lamonts. > > I still don't understand which figures you find to be inconsistent with > Comcille's approximate birth date. > > Sandy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lochlan@aol.com > Sent: 26 September 2011 01:38 > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Clan Donnachaidh M222 > > > > In a message dated 9/25/2011 2:31:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com writes: > > I'm not familiar with the McGee utilities - mostly I write my own code. > However, I can see that it's based on the infinite alleles model, which in > my opinion is the equivalent of basing conclusions on the theories of the > flat earth society. I see also that it's a 37-marker analysis. I think the > FSE would approve of that too. > > You can chose either the infinite alleles model or the or the hybrid > mutation modal in the McGee utility. Infinite alleles is the default. I > normally check off the hybrid modal since that's compatible with FTDNA. > However > I do not remember which one I used for that run. > > I checked the 37-67 marker section of the Duncan/McConachie section and saw > no differences from the modal so I used 37 markers to gain a larger > selection of samples. > > I found a Lamont sample in your name on Ysearch the other day. He does > not appear to be M222. Who might that be? > > > John > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3919 - Release Date: 09/25/11 > >