Thank you Susan and the Dunbar Clan has realized that fact and know many in the Clan and deal with it grouping the various family DNA's in several groupings including those of us that have shown to be M222.. William (Billy) T. Dunbar III -----Original Message----- From: Susan Hedeen <chantillycarpets@earthlink.net> To: dna-r1b1c7 <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com>; dna-r1b1c7-request <dna-r1b1c7-request@rootsweb.com>; lochlan <lochlan@aol.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 23, 2011 1:35 am Subject: [R-M222] new thread Clans & membeship One quote that is among my favorites is, "Genealogy:Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living." I think it should be differentiated the difference between genetic heritage after surnames and clan surnames in regard to membership with in the Scottish Clans. I think it also a good suggestion that the entire history as presented by Clan Donnachaidh be read and digested as it is very clear that many of the remarks posted are based on not a thorough and complete reading of what they say about themselves in regard to all of their chiefs, the work they are endeavoring, and some of the tentative discoveries they believe they are making with the help of Skene, Moncreiffe, and MacGregor. All members of any Scottish clan will not be related genetically. This goes back to surname designations and use. The Chiefdom if you will was the only area where blood line inheritance meant anything, and they did try to keep track of that. Whether or not they were entirely successful and/or whether or not the descendants were fully aware is another matter. The fact that with in most clans there are M222 lineages should be suggestive. There are varying opinions on the matter, and few agree 100% with one another 100% of the time. And who is knowledgeable enough in this group to have the all answers? I can tell you straight out, none of us do. One person's opinion is no less valid than the next and this should be evident when even the supposed experts can't agree. For crying out loud -- the fire hydrants are losing their red paint. It is no freaking wonder that the Irish and the Scots were bloody warring among themselves and each other most of their collective histories. And while we are on that subject of M222, just because it has been tagged, no one knows what the heck Nial's dna was either. You know I keep holding out some hope that this group is really going to work at this project rather than the P flying all the time. I will not apologize for my tantrum here. Some of you really need to behave yourselves. Susan R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message