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    1. Re: [R-M222] Laud 610
    2. Bernard Morgan
    3. Thank you John for this piece of Irish work on their (our) pre-historical. Old-Irish-l translated under the title of "De Bunad Imthechta Eóganachta", which O'Corrain says is "very likely, from the late ninth century or very early tenth". And the web site http://www.vanhamel.nl/wiki/index.php?title=Do_bunad_imthechta_%C3%89oganachta gives the following description: "Origin legend of the Éoganachta. It first relates how Éogan (the eponymous ancestor of the Éoganachta) and/or his sons arrived and settled in Ireland, how Éogan (the father or one of his sons) saved the population from starvation, and how Éogan's son was chosen to be king. Their peaceful ascendancy is then contrasted with an origin tale of the Dál Cuinn (called children of the "second Míl Espáine"), who are said to have ruled Ireland by the sword. In the north of the island, they alternately shared the kingship with the Cruthin until Conn Cétchathach defeated them in a series of battles. The situation was reversed when Fiachu Araide, from whom sprang the Dál Araide, expelled Conn's grandson Cormac mac Airt from Tara. Cormac fled to Munster, where he became a vassal of Fiachu Muillethan, Éogan's great-grandson, in return for his assistance against Fiachu Araide. Fiachu Muillethan defeated the latter in battle. Cormac was thereby restored to the kingship and granted the lands settled by the Ciannachta to Fiachu Muillethan, who passed them on to Connla mac Taidg." So Dal Cuinn ancestor is the unknown "second Mil Espaine" and battle the Cruthin a seperate people in the north of Ireland. Now we known the descendants for Dal Cuinn are M222+ (i..e Northern Ui Neill, Southern Ui Neill and Connachta in general) then are the Dál Fíachach, who lived in the kingdom of Éle, a NON-Éoganacht kingdom in northern Munster (per the old-Irish-l archives) also M222+? I find from the IHM website that "The Fiachach Eile (in north-east of Tipperary - Thurles and Roscrea) were descended from Deachluath, grandson of Eoghan Mor (ancestor of the Eoghanacta)." Yet north-east of Tipperary was held by the southern Ui Neill, so is there a link between Dal Fiachach and the Ui Fiachach of the Southern Ui Neill pedigrees?

    09/12/2011 07:41:34
    1. Re: [R-M222] Laud 610
    2. Bernard Morgan
    3. >From the Book of Ballymote: "Cuic mc. la Feidlimid .r. {68b} .i. Conn .c.c. o raiter Leith Cuind, & Cael a quo Caelraighe & Crinda & Croisine & Eochu find fuath nairt, no fuath nandhea & is uadh Fotharta & Fiacha suighe a quo na Desi & Fiacha raidhe a quo Corca Raidhe." Dal Fiachach Suighe descend from a brother of Conn of a hundred battles. They settle in Tipperary (i.e. of the Dessi), yet others the Corca Raidhe the progeny of Fiacha Raidhe mac Fiacha Suighdhe have the barony of Corkaree, Co. Westmeath named for them. This is within the realm of Cenel Fiachach mac Neill. (The tale of "The Explusion of the Dessi", tells of Dal Fiachach Suighe loss of power.)

    09/12/2011 09:01:42