According to the Gwinn/Guinn surname project news page the PF3292+ Gwinn has 4th and 6th once removed cousins who have tested pf3292-. I have tested F3952 positive with FTDNA so no surprises there, hopefully it might encourage other members of the McBride surname project to test for it. No news about what's happening about cts12173 yet , customer services contacted me and said that they were passing on the info I sent them to their supervisor. Rob Sent from my iPhone