Kelly, Well, I checked out the 37 marker haplotype. By enlarge there is only one allele that stands out as being a bit unusual in its repeat, and that is DYS456 where your cousin has 15 repeats. If it hadn't been 15, I wouldn't have paid much attention to it, but a 15 at that allele in M222 is a bit unusual. Could be coincidental. Whether or not it means anything, there are several that have that value that are eithr SNP tested to only M222-- more that are predicted by haplotype. Those who have tested for down stream SNPs, 2 are negative for DF97; 1 is positive for S588, and 1 is positive for PF1169. S588 is available at YSEQ; PF1169 may not be SNP tested, but its upstream S566 can be SNP tested also at YSEQ. Hope this helps. SUsan On 6/5/2014 1:28 PM, Susan Hedeen wrote: > Hi, Kelly, welcome to M222. > First, check out the SNP tree kept by Iain Kennedy > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > Within R-M222 the 37 markers may or may not be informative as for > suggestions on SNPs > > That said, I'll take a look at the haplotype and compare it to the > data set I keep for the SNP results. > > A safe choice for SNPs to start would be S660 also known as DF109 > (S659 is DF105 as seen on the tree); this particular down stream SNP > is a pivotal marker as you will see from the tree. If you want to SNP > test more than 1, I'd go in the direction of DF85, DF97, S588 and > FGC4077 or FGC4078 -- presently they look equivalent other. There is > also the option of ScotlandsDNA Chromo2 Raw Data that for R-M222 tests > most of these SNPs with the exception of DF97 and the FGC and A SNPs > listed on the tree. The cost of that is about $200.00 American; you > know the current cost of the YSEQ SNPs per SNP. > > I hope this helps. Susan Hedeen > > > > On 6/5/2014 1:09 PM, Kelly Wheaton wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I have recently got back my cousins kit PADEN 341945 and all his matches >> are M222 so I suspect highly that he is as well and he is listed as >> Niall. >> We initially only tested to 37 markers and I am doubtful of getting very >> far as he matches two PEDEN and PADDON kits have only tested to 12 >> and 25 >> respectively. I have joined the FTDNA M222 project and am looking for >> advice on possible SNPS to test. The closest matches have not done >> much SNP >> testing only confirmed M222. The 12/12 Peden match is from Coleraine, >> Londonderry. The other PADDON looks to be from Ayrshire. Closest other >> surnames are MCHARG 34/37 (6) and MAXWELL 36/37 (10) also a couple of >> KEITH, MCKEE, and 2 LOWERY---but again no downstream testing. Do I >> cautiously test a SNP or two via YSEQ.com, wait for a new DEEP Clade or >> similar panel down the road. Not flush with cash for this endeavor as >> just >> finished sponsoring a Full Y on my hubby (R-L2). >> >> Looking for any advice, ideas, suggestions. >> Thanks in advance >> Kelly >> >

Hi Kelly, Welcome to the M222 group! If you believe that your family is in the M222 group then you are in luck. Here on this board there are citizen-scientists who have dedicated years of their lives toward organizing and refining the overall M222 genetic picture. M222 is not easy to define, as we are of the Hebrides, of Ireland and of Scotland. But the payment for having such voluntary citizen-scientists is for your family to undergo as much genetic testing as you could afford. The more, the better! Best regards, Doug FTDNA 196477 On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Susan Hedeen <chantillycarpets@earthlink.net > wrote: > Kelly, > Well, I checked out the 37 marker haplotype. By enlarge there is only > one allele that stands out as being a bit unusual in its repeat, and > that is DYS456 where your cousin has 15 repeats. If it hadn't been 15, > I wouldn't have paid much attention to it, but a 15 at that allele in > M222 is a bit unusual. Could be coincidental. Whether or not it means > anything, there are several that have that value that are eithr SNP > tested to only M222-- more that are predicted by haplotype. Those who > have tested for down stream SNPs, 2 are negative for DF97; 1 is positive > for S588, and 1 is positive for PF1169. S588 is available at YSEQ; > PF1169 may not be SNP tested, but its upstream S566 can be SNP tested > also at YSEQ. Hope this helps. SUsan > > On 6/5/2014 1:28 PM, Susan Hedeen wrote: > > Hi, Kelly, welcome to M222. > > First, check out the SNP tree kept by Iain Kennedy > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > > > Within R-M222 the 37 markers may or may not be informative as for > > suggestions on SNPs > > > > That said, I'll take a look at the haplotype and compare it to the > > data set I keep for the SNP results. > > > > A safe choice for SNPs to start would be S660 also known as DF109 > > (S659 is DF105 as seen on the tree); this particular down stream SNP > > is a pivotal marker as you will see from the tree. If you want to SNP > > test more than 1, I'd go in the direction of DF85, DF97, S588 and > > FGC4077 or FGC4078 -- presently they look equivalent other. There is > > also the option of ScotlandsDNA Chromo2 Raw Data that for R-M222 tests > > most of these SNPs with the exception of DF97 and the FGC and A SNPs > > listed on the tree. The cost of that is about $200.00 American; you > > know the current cost of the YSEQ SNPs per SNP. > > > > I hope this helps. Susan Hedeen > > > > > > > > On 6/5/2014 1:09 PM, Kelly Wheaton wrote: > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> I have recently got back my cousins kit PADEN 341945 and all his matches > >> are M222 so I suspect highly that he is as well and he is listed as > >> Niall. > >> We initially only tested to 37 markers and I am doubtful of getting very > >> far as he matches two PEDEN and PADDON kits have only tested to 12 > >> and 25 > >> respectively. I have joined the FTDNA M222 project and am looking for > >> advice on possible SNPS to test. The closest matches have not done > >> much SNP > >> testing only confirmed M222. The 12/12 Peden match is from Coleraine, > >> Londonderry. The other PADDON looks to be from Ayrshire. Closest other > >> surnames are MCHARG 34/37 (6) and MAXWELL 36/37 (10) also a couple of > >> KEITH, MCKEE, and 2 LOWERY---but again no downstream testing. Do I > >> cautiously test a SNP or two via YSEQ.com, wait for a new DEEP Clade or > >> similar panel down the road. Not flush with cash for this endeavor as > >> just > >> finished sponsoring a Full Y on my hubby (R-L2). > >> > >> Looking for any advice, ideas, suggestions. > >> Thanks in advance > >> Kelly > >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >