Correction: I used an out dated modal. I picked off a newer one from the R-M222 project and instead find following. Sorry for the confusion, Colin Williams and myself known to be A223/4/5 positive share five off modal markers in the 111 set. They are listed below with frequency of occurrence in the M222+ set of 280 111 marker haplotypes in Mike's spreadsheet R1b-L21_Haplotypes_Ext.xlsm DYS607=15 (28) DYS534=17 (34) DYS710=33 (26) DYS462=12 (10) DYS532=14 (31) DYS587=19 (7) These two kits share the two lowest frequency of occurrence markers; DYS587=19 and DYS462=12 (4) f89028 Cowan f30896 McCord