Jerry, I went to the Irish website, where I see language instruction is arranged in courses which have a semester-like schedule, and I am wondering what sort of time commitment could be involved in a typical course. Thanks! Doug On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Jerry Kelly <jerrykelly@att.net> wrote: > Fa/ilte romhat, a Dhubhghlais. / You're welcome, Doug. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: tuulen <tuulen@gmail.com> > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 1:19:30 PM > Subject: Re: [R-M222] free Irish Gaelic and Scottish Gaelic on-line courses > > Jerry, > > Thank you! > > I have studied other languages, and know that such studies demand > commitment. > Learning another language, including all of its idiomatic ways, means > having > to > learn how to see the world through new eyes, which is no small undertaking. > > Doug > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Jerry Kelly <jerrykelly@att.net> wrote: > > > Hi Doug, > > > > You mentioned your interest in the language. > > > > Cumann Carad na Gaeilge / The Philo-Celtic Society provides free Irish > > Gaelic > > courses on the internet at all levels at > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/philo-celticsociety/ > > > > We're on summer break now but many students are reviewing the last term's > > material (February 1 to June 17) in preparation for the Fall term > beginning > > September 1. > > > > There is also the Scottish Gaelic group at > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scottish_gaelic_group/ > > > > Le gach dea-ghui/ > > > > Best, > > Jerry > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: tuulen <tuulen@gmail.com> > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 1:05:29 AM > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] New Tactics > > > > John, > > > > As could be obvious by my earlier ignorance in regard to Irish Morrisons, > > I know little of Irish history, but let me balance that by admitting that > I > > know > > little of Scottish history, too. And only now am I beginning to explore > > them. > > > > To make that just a bit easier, apparently surnames are not much more > > than a thousand years old, and relatively few names are older than that. > > > > I do have an interest in languages, although I know nothing of Irish, but > > seeing as my genetic lineage begins in northern Ulster, and seeing as > > Co. Donegal is home to one of Ireland's gaeltacht regions, I could have > > honest reason to study Irish, and maybe even learn some of it. > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:52 PM, <Lochlan@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 7/18/2011 10:13:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > > tuulen@gmail.com writes: > > > > > > So, until further evidence appears, I can identify my genetic origin > > with > > > confidence, but the origin of the Morrison name remains less certain, > > > likely > > > Irish, but only likely. > > > > > > That was well done. I was struck by the references to Columcille in > the > > > sources I saw. His church in the city of Derry had numerous > > connections > > > with Iona in Scotland. In particular I have some data showing > > connections > > > between another Inishowen family, the O'Brollaghans, and Iona. > > > > > > This doesn't have anything to do with O'Morrisons but is interesting > (to > > me > > > at least). > > > > > > The O Brolchain Family > > > Notes from Reeves "Life of St. Columba," by Adamnan > > > > > > XLVII - Flaithbertach Coarb 1150-1175. [Introduction, p. clxxx] > > > > > > Surnamed Ua Brolchain. The family of Ua Brolchain were descended > > > from Suibhne Meann, who wqas king of Ireland in 615, and belonged > > > to the Cinel Feradhaich, a clan so called from Feradhach, grandfather > > > of that Suibhne Meann, and fourth in descent from Eoghan, the founder > > > of the Cinel-Eoghain race. The Cinel Feradhiach are now territorially > > > represented by the barony of Clogher, in the south of the county of > > > Tryone. The first of the O'Brolchan family who is mentioned in the > > > Annals was Maelbrighde Ua Brolchan, styled prim saer Erren ["chief > mason > > > of Ireland"- Od Vers],, whose obit is entered in the ann. Ult. at > 1029. > > > >From him probably the masonic art of the family was derived, which > was > > > cultivated by Flaherty, and practiced by Donnell, with such success. > > > The next was Maeliosa, the lector whose obit is entered above at 1086. > > > He spent a part of his early life at Both-chonais in Inishowen, in the > > > neighbourhood of which some of his writings were preserved in Colgan's > > > time; and afterwards he founded a church seemingly at Lismore, called > > > the derteac Maeiliosa, "Oratory of Maeliosa," which was burned in > 1116. > > > He died on the 16th of January, justly celebrated for his learning > > > (Colgan, Acta SS. p. 108). His son, Aedh, succeeded him in the > calling > > > of professor, and died in 1095. Two years afterwards a son of > > Maelbrighde, > > > surnamed Mac-an-tsaeir, who was bishop of Kildare, died. Maelcolaim > Ua > > > Brolchain, bishop of Armagh, died in 1122; and Maelbrighde Ua > Brolchain, > > > also bishop of Armagh, died, Jan. 29, 1139. The latter was probably > > > father of the coarb Flaithbertach, whom the Annals of Ulster, aqt > 1164, > > > called Flaithbertach mac in epsuic hUi Brolcain, "Flaithbertach, son > of > > > the bishp Ua Brolchan," a lineage by no means in accordance with the > > > delicacy of the Four Masters, and which, when copying the entry, they > > > divest of its objectional character, in simply calling him > Flaithbertach > > > Ua Brolchain. Domhnall Ua Brolchain was prior of Derry, and died Apr. > > 27, > > > 1202. His name is inscribed on one of the capitals in the cathedral > of > > > Hy, in the form Donaldus Obrolcan (vid. 1202, App. III). Finn Ua > > Brolchan > > > was steward of O'Donnell in 1213; and Flann Ua Brolchain was coarb of > > > Columcille in 1219. In 1548 died Sir John Obrolchan, rector of > > Kildalton, > > > in Islay (Orig. Paroch. vol. ii. p 269) The name was afterwards > writtten > > > O'Brollaghan, and is now corrupted, in Ulster, to Bradley. Through > > > the influence of Gilla-mac-Liag of Gelasius, the abbot of Armagh, who > > > had himself been previously abbbot of Derry (an. 1137) , Flaithbertach > > > Ua Brolchain was raised to the dignity of bishop in 1158, as is thus > > > recorded by the Four Masters: "A Synod of the clergy of Ireland was > > > convened at Bri-mic-Taidhg, in Meath, where there were present 25 > > bishops, > > > with the Legate of the coarb of Peter, to ordain rules and good > morals. > > > It was on this occasion that the clergy of Ireland, with the coarb of > > > Patrick, ordered a chair, like every other bishop's, for the coarb of > > > Columcille, Flaithbertach Ua Brolchain, and the arch-abbacy of the > > > churches of Ireland in general." He was a zealous advancer of the > > > welfare of Derry, and during his incumbency many important additions > > > were made to its ecclesiastical buildings; to precure funds for which, > > > the abbot had, during the years 1150, 1151, 1153, 1161, visited, and > > > obtained contributions from various territories in Ulster and Ossory. > > > After a long life spent in the enregetic discharge of his duties, he > > > died in 1175, at which year his obit is thus recorded by the Four > > > Masters: "Flaithbertach Ua Brolchain, coarb of Columcille, a tower > > > of wisdom and hospitality, a man on whom, on account of his goodness > > > and wisdom, the clergy of Ireland had bestowed a bishop's chair, and > > > to whom the abbacy of Hy (comhorbus Uae) had been offered (an. 1164), > > > died in righteousness, after exemplary sickness, in the Duibhregles > > > of Columcille; and Gilla-mac-Liag Ua Branain was appointed to his > > > place in the abbacy." > > > > > > Donal O Brolchain [1202] > > > > > > "The unusual record on the capital of the tower column, DONALDUS > > OBROLOHAN > > > FECIT HOC OPUS, and the coincidence of that record with the obit of > > > Domhnall Ua Brolchain in the annals of Ulster at 1203, and of the Four > > > Masters at 1202, the same name in its Irish form, are sufficient, if > not > > > to satisfy the mind, at least to afford material for reasonable > > conjecture, > > > > > > as to the builder." > > > > > > > > > Surnames of Scotland > > > Black > > > > > > O'Brolachain > > > > > > Flaitbheartach Ua Brolchain was offered the abbacy of Colum-cille > > > in Iowa in 1164 (AFM, s.a.) but declined it. Domhnall Ua Brolchain, > > > prior of Derry, perhaps a relative of Flaithbheartach, became abbot > > > of Iona and was builder of the Bell Tower there, or at least of the > > > lower part of it. He died in 1203 (AU.). The mutilated inscription > > > in Lombardic letters on the southeast pier of the cathedral reads: > > > "Donaldus O'Brolchan fecit hoc opus." Abbot Donald came of a famous > > > family of masons of whom the earliest recorded is Maelbrighde Ua > > > Brolchan, styled prim saer Erann, i.e. 'chief mason of Ireland.' > > > (Adamnan, VC, p. 405). He died in 1029 (A.U. s.a.) The rectory of > > > S. John the Evangelist at Kildaltane, Islay, was vacant in 1549 > > > by the decease of Sir John Obrolchan (OPS, II, p. 269). Archibald > > > McBrolachin was one of the tenants in Iona, 1677, and Lauchlan duy > > > McBrolachan appears as merchant in Campbeltown, 1778 (Argyll). > > > The name has been Englished Bradley and Brodie (Brody), although > > > these names have no connection with it either in root or > > > meaning. > > > > > > What I found interesting about this was there were O'Brollaghans > > > (O'Brolchans) in Scotland long after known contact at Iona in the 13th > > > century yet > > > prior to the Irish exodus of the 1800s.. > > > > > > The O'Brollaghans were another Inishowen family, mostly connected to > the > > > church in Derry. 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