I have no information about that, but I'm just a participant. You could try asking one Mike (one of the RL21Project admins, email address mwwdna@gmail.com). However I know there are a number of different M222-like guys with M222- results; Mike has a cluster for them called 1416-NW which includes kit #96185. So it's very hard to see it all as lab error. If M222 is as young as we think, it's not surprising there would be upstream cousins with similar STR profiles. I expect these folks should be the first to think about testing for the new SNP DF23 once it's available from FTDNA. It'll be very interesting to find out where the DF23+ M222- men are concentrated, as that will offer some clue about the origins of M222. Steve On 21 July 2011 07:10, Alexander Paterson <alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com > wrote: > You must be the Steve Forrest from the L21+ group. > > I'm curious about Hannan, kit number 96185. He is an M222+ lookalike, but > is > L21+, M222-. Do you know whether he has asked FTDNA to check his M222- > status? > > Sandy >