Bernard I'm not sure what you have searched already. I have some experience with what Irish records exist for the 1800s so I may be able point you at some resources but it isn't really connected to DNA so perhaps we should connect off-list. I did a quick search and found Michael and Sarah in the 1900 U.S. census for Watertown, Litchfield, along with eight of their children, a daughter-in-law and a grandchild. That census is useful because it contains some other information. It says that Michael was born in April 1845 and Sarah in March 1855, that they had been married 29 years and that they had nine children, all of whom were still living in 1900. Michael says that he immigrated in 1855 so it looks like they must have married in the U.S. Michael also indicates that he is a naturalized citizen, so you might want to look for his naturalization papers. However, in other censuses, the birthdate implied from the age he gave is 1840 (1870), 1840 (1880) and 1835 (1910). Griffith's Valuation for Ireland lists 58 Keiltys in Ireland, of whom more than one third are in Tyrone. The only Michaels in Tyrone were in Kildress parish in the Barony of Dungannon but these are unlikely to have been your Michael since Griffith did his valuation around 1850 and your Michael was likely too young to have owned or been leasing land. John Carey -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of tuulen Sent: July-28-11 4:50 PM To: Bernard Keilty; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research Hi, Bernard, I am new to DNA-based family research, too. DNA can reveal many clues leading to useful information, but the immediate difficulty is that nobody's family name has DNA. History books can tell us about ancient families, their names and the general area where they lived, but, because names have no DNA, discovering any connection which may or may not exist between any of our names and those names of the past becomes a matter of developing a well researched and accurate paper-trail based on the best information available. Then, as you may already know, individual and family records often can be found, both in Ireland and in the US, from about the mid-19th century and later, but earlier than that time becomes more random and records which do exist sometimes can be confusing or misleading. And going back a few hundred years could in many cases be extremely difficult or impossible. That is a fact which we all face. It is worthwhile to keep searching, but be prepared for difficulties, to the extent of being big challenges. For instance, my cousin is our family's historian, and it has taken him now more than 14 years to discover when our great-great-grandfather was born, but we still do not know where he was born. I wish you the best of good luck in your search! Doug On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I > am new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't > know what to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us > customers to read the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family > history for just a few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > > I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family > from Ireland. > I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was > supposed to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to > the USA abt 1860 settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, > Connecticut, 06795 USA. Michael Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) > Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and buried Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael > was Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and > Catherine McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is > not known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine > children and raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. > Some of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy > include Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, > Ireland), Dubauskas (from Lithuania). > If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > someone it would be greatly appreciated. > I would be pleased to provide any further information. > Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > ytliekb@yahoo.com > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Bernard, In addition to the good advice you have already received, If you look in the M222 message archives, there is a wonderful series of posts from someone on how to do Irish research. She provided this information sometime over the past year, but I can't remember who she is right now. Maybe she'll see this message and step forward to identify herself. Good luck with your research. Allene
Good catch , John. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. John Carey <johnca@quickclic.net> wrote: Bernard I'm not sure what you have searched already. I have some experience with what Irish records exist for the 1800s so I may be able point you at some resources but it isn't really connected to DNA so perhaps we should connect off-list. I did a quick search and found Michael and Sarah in the 1900 U.S. census for Watertown, Litchfield, along with eight of their children, a daughter-in-law and a grandchild. That census is useful because it contains some other information. It says that Michael was born in April 1845 and Sarah in March 1855, that they had been married 29 years and that they had nine children, all of whom were still living in 1900. Michael says that he immigrated in 1855 so it looks like they must have married in the U.S. Michael also indicates that he is a naturalized citizen, so you might want to look for his naturalization papers. However, in other censuses, the birthdate implied from the age he gave is 1840 (1870), 1840 (1880) and 1835 (1910). Griffith's Valuation for Ireland lists 58 Keiltys in Ireland, of whom more than one third are in Tyrone. The only Michaels in Tyrone were in Kildress parish in the Barony of Dungannon but these are unlikely to have been your Michael since Griffith did his valuation around 1850 and your Michael was likely too young to have owned or been leasing land. John Carey -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of tuulen Sent: July-28-11 4:50 PM To: Bernard Keilty; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research Hi, Bernard, I am new to DNA-based family research, too. DNA can reveal many clues leading to useful information, but the immediate difficulty is that nobody's family name has DNA. History books can tell us about ancient families, their names and the general area where they lived, but, because names have no DNA, discovering any connection which may or may not exist between any of our names and those names of the past becomes a matter of developing a well researched and accurate paper-trail based on the best information available. Then, as you may already know, individual and family records often can be found, both in Ireland and in the US, from about the mid-19th century and later, but earlier than that time becomes more random and records which do exist sometimes can be confusing or misleading. And going back a few hundred years could in many cases be extremely difficult or impossible. That is a fact which we all face. It is worthwhile to keep searching, but be prepared for difficulties, to the extent of being big challenges. For instance, my cousin is our family's historian, and it has taken him now more than 14 years to discover when our great-great-grandfather was born, but we still do not know where he was born. I wish you the best of good luck in your search! Doug On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I > am new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't > know what to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us > customers to read the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family > history for just a few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > > I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family > from Ireland. > I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was > supposed to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to > the USA abt 1860 settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, > Connecticut, 06795 USA. Michael Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) > Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and buried Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael > was Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and > Catherine McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is > not known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine > children and raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. > Some of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy > include Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, > Ireland), Dubauskas (from Lithuania). > If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > someone it would be greatly appreciated. > I would be pleased to provide any further information. > Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > ytliekb@yahoo.com > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ >_____________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ _____________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ _____________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message