In a message dated 7/8/2011 4:28:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, weh8@verizon.net writes: The list of M222 haplotypes I received from John McLaughlin consisted of 320 testees who apparently were in haplogroup R1b1a2a1a1b4b and they were all labeled as such. As I recall John said that all had not been tested (and in his and Wilson's opinion did not need to be). I had a larger group reported to be M222 but which were not represented as being tested. Both sets had similar statistics, as I wrote earlier. Now, if someone would send me a set of haplotypes that are bonafide as having been SNP-tested and put into the M222+ bin, I will run a tree separately on them and do an analysis on them. You already have a complete list of M222+ samples from SNP tests. There is no "apparent" about it. If you question any of the results all SNP tests in the project can be accessed through the M222 project at FTDNA. _http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b1c7/default.aspx?/publicwebsite.aspx %3fvgroup=R1b1c7_ (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b1c7/default.aspx?/publicwebsite.aspx?vgroup=R1b1c7) Chose Y-DNA results and SNP. The reference to "not all have been tested" applies to the entire project, not to the group with the designation of R1b1a2a1a1b4b. David Wilson set the rules for the M222 group, not I. John