In a message dated 6/28/2011 5:27:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com writes: Do you think you can guess who they are, or did you mean that you think you can guess who I think they are? I suspected you might be heading off in a familiar direction on this, that's all. But the following is quite different: <. That person could be the Orcanus referred to by Sir James Lamont in 1661. Another possibility is that the M222 Cains or variants, and I, are all descended from Ewen Makane Makgorre, whom, according to McKechnie, "was the progenitor of the Lamonts of Garrachoran in Glen Lean." I have to agree with McKechnie that the Orcanus bit is pure imagination. It's impossible to determine what the author intended in that name. It could be something as simple as Eirc, a name from the Scottish Dal Riata. There could be some M222 Cains native to Scotland. But if you are including the M222 O Cathains from Ulster in this group then I think you are barking up the wrong tree. John