In a message dated 6/30/2011 3:28:15 A.M. Central Daylight Time, pabloburns@comcast.net writes: Of special interest to me is O'Hart's statement that some descendants anglicized their name to Bruen. I have eight M222 Byrne who are not close to my Donegal or Sligo M222s. Their roots are Monaghan, and I am wondering if they are remnants of that Muinter Birn/Cenel Eoghain group that you mentioned. Do the O Cathains have any distinctive markers, such as the 391=10 that separates this Monaghan Byrne group from my other M222s? Barra McCain's O Cathain group has just three modal identifiers in the first 37 markers. Sandy posted these a few days ago DYS439=13 DYS570=18 DYS710=34 DYS715=23 DYS513=14 DYS643=11 : To this I would add: 389ii=-30 John

By way of clarification, I suggested the markers DYS439=13 DYS570=18 DYS710=34 DYS715=23 DYS513=14 DYS643=11 As being Cain & variants as opposed to O'Cathain. So far there are only 4 full or partial results in the O'Cathain group of 25 haplotypes for markers 68-111. Only one of them has 23,14,11 at DYS715,513,643, namely Cain. None of Devenney, McHenry or Slavens have them. Then there's a Kane in the Cain site run by Rory McCain who does have them. So if you want to know what the O'Cathain grouped modal is, use DYS439=13(18) DYS389ii=30(15) DYS570=18(14) The numbers in brackets are the number of haplotypes that are on modal out of 25. Paul, do you think McBirney would be of Clan Birn? The reason I ask is that one of the locals in Dunoon is a McBirney, and has a paper trail going back 15 generations. I haven't seen it, but could enquire if you're interested. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lochlan@aol.com Sent: 01 July 2011 01:06 To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] Muinter Birn In a message dated 6/30/2011 3:28:15 A.M. Central Daylight Time, pabloburns@comcast.net writes: Of special interest to me is O'Hart's statement that some descendants anglicized their name to Bruen. I have eight M222 Byrne who are not close to my Donegal or Sligo M222s. Their roots are Monaghan, and I am wondering if they are remnants of that Muinter Birn/Cenel Eoghain group that you mentioned. Do the O Cathains have any distinctive markers, such as the 391=10 that separates this Monaghan Byrne group from my other M222s? Barra McCain's O Cathain group has just three modal identifiers in the first 37 markers. Sandy posted these a few days ago DYS439=13 DYS570=18 DYS710=34 DYS715=23 DYS513=14 DYS643=11 : To this I would add: 389ii=-30 John R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message