I think a lot depends on how DYS715,513,643 pans out. If only 2 surnames have 23,14,11 then I'd be inclined to think that both surnames descend from the same person. That person could be the Orcanus referred to by Sir James Lamont in 1661. Another possibility is that the M222 Cains or variants, and I, are all descended from Ewen Makane Makgorre, whom, according to McKechnie, "was the progenitor of the Lamonts of Garrachoran in Glen Lean." Of the two, based on the fact that we are probably looking at genetic distances of around 12-18 over 111 markers (plus a number of off-modal matches), the 900 AD suggested by James Lamont as being the time that Orcanus lived, probably makes him the more likely candidate. I think Ewan Makane Makgorre lived around 1425 AD, which looks too recent. Do you think you can guess who they are, or did you mean that you think you can guess who I think they are? Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lochlan@aol.com Sent: 28 June 2011 03:56 To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker RESULTS In a message dated 6/27/2011 5:42:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com writes: Simply that my DNA is much closer to Cain and variants than any of the other surnames in the O'Cathain grouping. Ok. Then who do you think these Cains are? I think I can guess. John R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message