Are the any M222+ Bryne from Southeast Ulster? I have always wondered if the O'Morgan (O'Murigan) found in the Barony of Farrad were transplants from northern Oriel - >From 1835-6 - "Letters Containing Information Relative to the Antiquities of the County of Louth" from the Ordance Survey by O'Donovan and others, concerning the parish of Carrickbagot in the barony of Ferrad" “The principal family names in the Parish are:- 1st Markeys Na Marcaigh 2nd Rogans Na Ruagain Seun a Ruagan sing. An Ruagain John Rogan. 3rd Branagans Na Branagain Bearndigh Branagan An Branagain Bernard Branagan. 4th Mc Guires Cloinn Mhi'Guire these before. 5th the Miles' Clann Mhllidh Peadar a Milidh Peter Miles. 6th Moragans Na Muireagain Seaumas a Muireagan . sing. An Muireagain James Moragan” The list seems to contain a number of surnames common to County Armagh, i.e. Markey, Rorgan, Branagan and Moragan (i.e. Morgan). (The Maguires could be from either Meath or Fermanagh.) > From: gerry@ringofgullion.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 09:26:34 -0400 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Muinter Birn > > The Census of 1659 for Louth, lists Birne as the most common Irish Name in > the Barony of Louth. > > It lists Byrne as the most common Irish name in the Barony of Ardee. > > It lists Birne as found in the Barony of Dundalk, but not common. > > It lists Birne as found in the Barony of Farrad, but not common. > > Both Louth and Ardee border Monaghan, but Dundalk and Farrad don't. > > Gerry Hoy > > -----Original Message----- > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of pabloburns@comcast.net > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:27 AM > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: [R-M222] Muinter Birn > > > Of special interest to me is O'Hart's statement that some descendants > anglicized their name to Bruen. I have eight M222 Byrne who are not close to > my Donegal or Sligo M222s. Their roots are Monaghan, and I am wondering if > they are remnants of that Muinter Birn/Cenel Eoghain group that you > mentioned. Do the O Cathains have any distinctive markers, such as the > 391=10 that separates this Monaghan Byrne group from my other M222s? > Paul > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I came across a chapter of a book " Colonisation and conquest in medieval Ireland: the English in Louth" which tells how the O'Rogan's moved into Louth from Oriel. The PDF is locked, so I can't copy 'n paste, but here is a summary. The O'Hanlon's - Ui Anluain - kings of Oriel, pushed before them the Ui Echadh under their kings, the Ui Ruadachain. The last mention of an Ui Ruadachain king of the Ui Echadh is in 1231 and the last mention of them at all, is in 1354 when Auly O'Rogan appealed to the king of England to ask the Sheriff of Louth to let Auly and his following (sequela) live among the Englishmen in Louth. -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Morgan Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 9:50 AM To: dna-r1b1c7 Subject: Re: [R-M222] Muinter Birn Are the any M222+ Bryne from Southeast Ulster? I have always wondered if the O'Morgan (O'Murigan) found in the Barony of Farrad were transplants from northern Oriel - >From 1835-6 - "Letters Containing Information Relative to the Antiquities of the County of Louth" from the Ordance Survey by O'Donovan and others, concerning the parish of Carrickbagot in the barony of Ferrad" "The principal family names in the Parish are:- 1st Markeys Na Marcaigh 2nd Rogans Na Ruagain Seun a Ruagan sing. An Ruagain John Rogan. 3rd Branagans Na Branagain Bearndigh Branagan An Branagain Bernard Branagan. 4th Mc Guires Cloinn Mhi'Guire these before. 5th the Miles' Clann Mhllidh Peadar a Milidh Peter Miles. 6th Moragans Na Muireagain Seaumas a Muireagan . sing. An Muireagain James Moragan" The list seems to contain a number of surnames common to County Armagh, i.e. Markey, Rorgan, Branagan and Moragan (i.e. Morgan). (The Maguires could be from either Meath or Fermanagh.) > From: gerry@ringofgullion.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 09:26:34 -0400 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Muinter Birn > > The Census of 1659 for Louth, lists Birne as the most common Irish Name in > the Barony of Louth. > > It lists Byrne as the most common Irish name in the Barony of Ardee. > > It lists Birne as found in the Barony of Dundalk, but not common. > > It lists Birne as found in the Barony of Farrad, but not common. > > Both Louth and Ardee border Monaghan, but Dundalk and Farrad don't. > > Gerry Hoy > > -----Original Message----- > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of pabloburns@comcast.net > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:27 AM > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: [R-M222] Muinter Birn > > > Of special interest to me is O'Hart's statement that some descendants > anglicized their name to Bruen. I have eight M222 Byrne who are not close to > my Donegal or Sligo M222s. Their roots are Monaghan, and I am wondering if > they are remnants of that Muinter Birn/Cenel Eoghain group that you > mentioned. Do the O Cathains have any distinctive markers, such as the > 391=10 that separates this Monaghan Byrne group from my other M222s? > Paul > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message