In a message dated 6/25/2011 3:37:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time, alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com writes: So I'm still batting on the side of Cain = Law Cain = Lagman Kane Laumon McCann Lamont Both descended from Orcanus. There is a little problem with that analysis if you are talking about the Irish O Cathains of Ulster. If you're talking about other Cains than it's immaterial. But the root of O Cathain is cath, or battle, and the name is properly anglicised O Cahane. Cain = law is a different word. John