I've mostly been reading messages on this list and not contributing anything, but recently I've been attempting to place my own family by looking at my matches. My 4th great-grandfather was almost certainly an NPE whose father was named Gray. The progenitor of this Gray family, John Gray (d. 1751, Augusta County, VA) is said to have come from Ireland, but there is no proof and there is no convincing evidence of where in Ireland he came from. I just wanted to get opinions from more knowledgeable people on the list on whether or not I and some of my matches might comprise a cluster of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe lines. I think it's possible that we descend from the Mac Giolla Riabhaigh family seated at Criochan or Creaghaun (Carrowreagh?), Skreen Parish, County Sligo, according to Woulfe. Below is a list of those surnames in my 67- and 111-marker match lists that could correspond to Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe families and their genetic distances from me. I've added kit numbers where I can find them in the R-M222 Project: 236891 Byrne: Ó Birn of north of Ballinrobe, Mayo? There is a family by this name in Dromard (parish bordering Skreen to the east). 9/111 Carnes: Mac Corraidhín of Skreen? MacFirbis says this is anglicized as Currin. There is a Carrane in Griffith's Valuation of Skreen, presumably of this family. 8/111 Coleman: Ó Colmáin of Grangemore, Templeboy (parish bordering Skreen to the west). 7/67 N32460 Coyne: Although the MDKA is from Athlone, could this be Ó Cuain of Doonycoy, Templeboy? The name is found in Skreen in Griffith's Valuation. Queen and Quinn also show up in my 111 marker matches. 9/111 Donoghue: Ó Donnchadha of Tireragh. Part of Clanna Temin along with Mac Giolla Riabhaigh. 10/111 Dowdy: Ó Dubhda, rulers of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe, seated in Easky (parish ~10 miles west of Skreen), Sligo. 7/67 82938? Fannin: Ó Fionnán, chiefs of Coolcarney, Mayo? 5/67 Feeney: Ó Fianna of Finned, Easky. 5/67 Gilmore: Mac Giolla Mhir of Finnure, Skreen, Sligo. 10/111 Lindsay: Ó Loingsigh of Sligo. There is a Lindsay in Griffith's Valuation of Easky. Sometimes anglicized as Lynch, which is also found in Skreen and Dromard. 6/67 Murphy: Ó Murchadha, formerly rulers of Skreen and Templeboy, Sligo. 7/111 Additional (non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe) surnames found in my match list and in Griffith's Valuation of Skreen Parish, Sligo: Hart 9/111 N106427 O'Donnell 10/111 Additional non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe surnames found in my match list and in Griffith's Valuation of Dromard Parish, Sligo: 203361 Carroll 6/67 193665 Daugherty 10/111 Carroll could be the local Ó Cearbhaill family of Caltry, Sligo. Of course I can't say for certain that these identifications are correct, but a Sligo origin for our Grays would seem to explain most of my closest matches. I won't presume to know why Hart, O'Donnell, Carroll and Daugherty/Doherty should be in my list. Maybe NPEs or Uí Fiachrach who joined other clans? Or just haplotype convergence? Kyle

Hi Kyle, You have done considerable research and are now onto something. At the mention of Sligo, could you be related to any of the O'Muirghesa (Morris and Morrissey)? On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Kyle DePew <[email protected]> wrote: > I've mostly been reading messages on this list and not contributing > anything, but recently I've been attempting to place my own family by > looking at my matches. My 4th great-grandfather was almost certainly an > NPE whose father was named Gray. The progenitor of this Gray family, John > Gray (d. 1751, Augusta County, VA) is said to have come from Ireland, but > there is no proof and there is no convincing evidence of where in Ireland > he came from. I just wanted to get opinions from more knowledgeable people > on the list on whether or not I and some of my matches might comprise a > cluster of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe lines. > > I think it's possible that we descend from the Mac Giolla Riabhaigh family > seated at Criochan or Creaghaun (Carrowreagh?), Skreen Parish, County > Sligo, according to Woulfe. Below is a list of those surnames in my 67- > and 111-marker match lists that could correspond to Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe > families and their genetic distances from me. I've added kit numbers where > I can find them in the R-M222 Project: > > 236891 Byrne: Ó Birn of north of Ballinrobe, Mayo? There is a family by > this name in Dromard (parish bordering Skreen to the east). 9/111 > > Carnes: Mac Corraidhín of Skreen? MacFirbis says this is > anglicized as Currin. There is a Carrane in Griffith's Valuation of > Skreen, presumably of this family. 8/111 > > Coleman: Ó Colmáin of Grangemore, Templeboy (parish bordering > Skreen to the west). 7/67 > > N32460 Coyne: Although the MDKA is from Athlone, could this be Ó Cuain of > Doonycoy, Templeboy? The name is found in Skreen in Griffith's Valuation. > Queen and Quinn also show up in my 111 marker matches. 9/111 > > Donoghue: Ó Donnchadha of Tireragh. Part of Clanna Temin along > with Mac Giolla Riabhaigh. 10/111 > > Dowdy: Ó Dubhda, rulers of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe, seated in > Easky (parish ~10 miles west of Skreen), Sligo. 7/67 > > 82938? Fannin: Ó Fionnán, chiefs of Coolcarney, Mayo? 5/67 > > Feeney: Ó Fianna of Finned, Easky. 5/67 > > Gilmore: Mac Giolla Mhir of Finnure, Skreen, Sligo. 10/111 > > Lindsay: Ó Loingsigh of Sligo. There is a Lindsay in Griffith's > Valuation of Easky. Sometimes anglicized as Lynch, which is also found in > Skreen and Dromard. 6/67 > > Murphy: Ó Murchadha, formerly rulers of Skreen and Templeboy, > Sligo. 7/111 > > Additional (non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe) surnames found in my match list and > in Griffith's Valuation of Skreen Parish, Sligo: > > Hart 9/111 > N106427 O'Donnell 10/111 > > Additional non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe surnames found in my match list and in > Griffith's Valuation of Dromard Parish, Sligo: > > 203361 Carroll 6/67 > 193665 Daugherty 10/111 > > Carroll could be the local Ó Cearbhaill family of Caltry, Sligo. > > Of course I can't say for certain that these identifications are correct, > but a Sligo origin for our Grays would seem to explain most of my closest > matches. I won't presume to know why Hart, O'Donnell, Carroll and > Daugherty/Doherty should be in my list. Maybe NPEs or Uí Fiachrach who > joined other clans? Or just haplotype convergence? > > Kyle > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >